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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post

    Whatever you may think (or not) about the effect that noise pollution has on the environment and the rest of society, the legal noise level in the EU, UK included, is 82 decibels, +/- zero (excuse the pun). Notwithstanding that, if the noise levels created as a result of modification or whatever, exceeds that of the original at type approval, then that's not allowed under law either.

    Since the vehicle is technically not road-legal then, it probably renders your insurance invalid too.
    Do you really want to go that road?

    .... discuss (but quietly please !).

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    David....I posted a light hearted Jest to Remi, with regards to the subjective loudness of my Zero’s .

    I Don’t require your comments as to the possible rights and wrongs, in your opinion , of the volume of noise emitted from my aforementioned Zero’s ..from a “ Social morality “ stand point ..thank you very much . I find your remarks bloody rude, don’t you dare moralise and patronise me. like some self appointed Judge of my Character and actions....okay.

    Also..the points re type approval / Void Insurance Etc are BS .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zt pony View Post
    David....I posted a light hearted Jest to Remi, with regards to the subjective loudness of my Zero’s .

    I Don’t require your comments as to the possible rights and wrongs, in your opinion , of the volume of noise emitted from my aforementioned Zero’s ..from a “ Social morality “ stand point ..thank you very much . I find your remarks bloody rude, don’t you dare moralise and patronise me. like some self appointed Judge of my Character and actions....okay.

    Also..the points re type approval / Void Insurance Etc are BS .
    In David's defence Harry I didn't read his reply to you as an opinion on social morality but more of a light hearted comment regarding the legal standing of possibly infringing legalities. I often think it is more than helpful (although sometimes irritating I agree) for people to point out the pitfalls of some of our courses of action. Regarding the type approval comment unfortunately he is perfectly correct and the implications regarding invalidating insurance are sadly, as so many people will testify, all too true, insurance companies are all too keen to look for ways to avoid paying out on claims.
    I really don't think he was trying to moralise or patronise but more to provide information...........anyway about those tyres......!

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    Specification Code: L01B.
    CICode: D1511.
    Trim Level: TL8.9 (M3).

    65th ZT-T 260SE to be made out of 114.
    11th ZT-T 260 SE in Pearl Black (PBT) out of 23 produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nich View Post
    In David's defence Harry I didn't read his reply to you as an opinion on social morality but more of a light hearted comment regarding the legal standing of possibly infringing legalities. I often think it is more than helpful (although sometimes irritating I agree) for people to point out the pitfalls of some of our courses of action. Regarding the type approval comment unfortunately he is perfectly correct and the implications regarding invalidating insurance are sadly, as so many people will testify, all too true, insurance companies are all too keen to look for ways to avoid paying out on claims.
    I really don't think he was trying to moralise or patronise but more to provide information...........anyway about those tyres......!

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    Thanks Nich. What I was trying to say, but you managed to a lot more eloquently !

    The 82dB figure was taken from a Dutch breakdown of the EU regulations applicable.
    I assumed, maybe wrongly, that EU regulations also applied to the UK in the matter, at least for the next few hours (/days/weeks/months/years) !

    Sorry if I inadvertently offended some folk; obviously unintentional. Only trying to help !

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    If you change your exhaust, then you should notify your insurers, surely then you would be covered?

    I don’t quite understand the part where you can’t make it louder than the type approval, how does that work?
    There are so many performance exhausts for sale, surely most must increase the sound level?

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    That's the funny thing about laws. They don't have to make sense, and very often don't.
    You can buy loads of things over the counter/internet which will make your car 100% road-illegal. Sometimes you are told ("Track use only"), more often not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJR View Post
    If you change your exhaust, then you should notify your insurers, surely then you would be covered?

    I don’t quite understand the part where you can’t make it louder than the type approval, how does that work?
    There are so many performance exhausts for sale, surely most must increase the sound level?

    sJR
    A few comments ...on it all ...

    The 260’s are...16 years old +/- . The Type approval would have been done...how long ago 16/17 yrs ❓ The Company ..MG ..went bust / is finished / no parts ..no official OEM parts produced anymore ..yes ❓
    They came with a “ Standard “:Set of Silencers..yes❓ What about the famous X Power Silencers then ❓ They aren’t the same tone as the standards ..❓ They aren’t the same volume/ decibels ..❓ BECAUSE..if they were no louder ..didnt sound louder / throaty / etc...then WHY are they / why were they ..so sought after ❓ What about the numerous posts ..instructions how to ..sleeve ( I think it’s described ) the X Power Silencers ..to make them EVEN LOUDER ❗️
    What about the ..who’s got the Loudest Exhaust Competitions ...at the Pride Of Longbridge ..days then ❓

    Re my Zero’s ..they are constructed to oem dimensions . ..or as near as possible..they look normal/ standard ..I can’t get MG ones ..obviously..yes ❓ The bloody Car was made in 2004 ❗️ Do you REALLY think I would be prosecuted for fitting them ❓ My Insurance Company would invalidate my Policy ..because they were fitted ...❓ Utter unadulterated Bullshit ❗️

    Unless you fit ..obviously hi special performance Exhausts ..to a newish car...or mega ..ridiculously loud Exhausts..on a car...you will be absolutely fine ..no problems .

    Motorbikes...thousands of them..all fitted with aftermarket ..performance..LOUD as buggery ..Exhaust Sytems. BECAUSE...miles cheaper than the standard OEM Exhausts.. other than the hi Performance considerations .

    BUT...out of interest...IF you de Cat your Exhausts System ...fit “ Sports Cats “ .....more than likely ...your Car ..will not...or WOULD NOT..pass an MOT. ❗️ SO....you have an accident...the Cars taken away ..the Insurance Assessor examines the damaged Car...it’s discovered that ..you have removed the Cats/ by passed them/ fitted Sports Cats ...which mean ...in that state ..YOUR CAR WOULD NOT pass an MOT ..guess what..your Car is deemed unroadworthy..with a void MOT..no pay out for the damage etc.

    There are are many other things that can ..possibly..cause problems re Insurance...TYRES..for example.Our OEM / TYPE APPROVAL Tyre Size ..225/45 R 18. Yes ❓ IF you change the sizes to..235/40 R18...it’s not only ..fitting a different ..none oem size...it’s also..potentially dangerous..could be a MOT fail ...AS...because it’s a 40 per cent Ratio Tyre size ..it should be fitted to a Wheel with a minimum size of 8 inches width. Our wheels ..standard..are 7.5 inches wide ..yes ❓
    This is As Tyre Manufactures recommendations . ..stated on their literature. Min/ max recommended Tire Sizes for Wheel Rims Etc ❗️

    IF..people want to moralise ..and act like Holy Joe’s ..re the anti social nature of having throaty loud Exhausts on your 260...then ..why bloody own one yourself..Standard Exhaust Silencers or not ❗️ You’ve bought an old V8 ..petrol guzzler ..not super efficient..emissions is ..to start with. Buy an electric Car...if your such a Morally superior person. Or get a Bicycle..go on public Transport .

    IF..all this ..void Insurance..illegal Exhausts stuff was...true ..or seriously a massive threat ...there wouldn’t be thousands of Shops / Tuning Companies ..selling them . Kevin at Zero...wouldn’t have a highly successful Company ..making Exhausts for a huge variety of performance and classic cars.

    IF ..I had fitted performance Manifolds to mine ...then I would ..have informed my Insurance Company .

    But ..I cant get standard official..MG Silencers ..because the Company is finished,,bust..gone..and I purchase a a pair of Stainless Boxes ..standard sizes , or near enough, ..that have a different exhaust note ..that may not exactly match the Silencers that were originally on the car in 2004 ..AM I going to worry about the invalidation of my Insurance Policy...worry about being hauled before the local Magistrates..for a unroadworthy Car ...of course I’m blood well not ❗️

    My Zero’ are very throaty..with a “ Mustang note “ ..they won’t cause loss of hearing to anyone in near proximity.

    This is a performance Car Club. A specialist Performance Car..with a big USA Ford Mustang 4.6 V8 Engine in ❗️
    They are fast cars . That’s what it’s all about...why the bloody hell are be piddling about ..discussing...are our Exhausts too loud for ❗️❗️❗️ Come on ..it’s namby pamby crap.

    Lighten up everyone.

    Gentlemen...Rev your Engines ❗️

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nich View Post
    In David's defence Harry I didn't read his reply to you as an opinion on social morality but more of a light hearted comment regarding the legal standing of possibly infringing legalities. I often think it is more than helpful (although sometimes irritating I agree) for people to point out the pitfalls of some of our courses of action. Regarding the type approval comment unfortunately he is perfectly correct and the implications regarding invalidating insurance are sadly, as so many people will testify, all too true, insurance companies are all too keen to look for ways to avoid paying out on claims.
    I really don't think he was trying to moralise or patronise but more to provide information...........anyway about those tyres......!

    Nich.
    I STILL feel guilty about our “ Tyre Wars “ posts Nich ❗️ There I was criticising your Continental Tyres recommendation..saying my Toyo’s We’re so much better...your Continentals were crap...ya boo sucks Etc ❗️AND..the Tyres I’d taken off ..were actually ..BRIDGESTONES ❗️❗️ It was only months later I realised ..my embarrassing cock up ❗️
    Anyway..Toyo have changed the actual T1 Sports Tyres ..into the Proxy Sports now..and ruined them evidently ❗️ A new Compound. Terrible test results ..every test..nearly the lowest score ..in Dry , Rain, you name it ..road test conditions. A real shame..I need a new set soon..won’t be choosing Toyo’s again.

    The new ( ish ) ....Continental Premium 6 ...Tires actually sound quite good ...I’m tempted ....Looked at some highly regarded German Magazine Tyre Tests ...on impressive Test Circuits...and they reckoned the Conti’s were the DB’s ...best handling on dry , best steering / cornering ..and won the tests ..ahead of the usual current Tyre Test hero ..the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 ❗️

    Please look at my post re : Kwic Fit Tyres ...( posting tomorrow ) with regards to my Local Branch Managers Tyre recommendation for my 260:❗️ It’s hilarious ...actually ..it’s an insanely dangerous recommendation ..a Tyre Fitment suggestion...that would probably end up in my swift death...if I accepted his “ knowledgable expert’s “ advice ❗️
    I would never ever but Tires from them anyway ..I was only checking prices. But it really was amazing..how useless they are ..starting from the Top down ❗️

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    Louder backboxes voiding UK insurance....rofl, the internet really does propagate some absolute BS.

    I wish people would stop spouting things as gospel.

    People are dying and starving all around the world, and you have people arguing semantics over a backbox.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    Louder backboxes voiding UK insurance....rofl, the internet really does propagate some absolute BS.

    I wish people would stop spouting things as gospel.
    As much as I agree with you insurance companies do try it on when it comes to claims, I know of a classic car that had an accident and when the insurance assessor came to ''inspect '' the car he found that the colour was wrong, the car had been resprayed in another colour and they had not been told. Luckily the owner had taken his insurance out through a broker and they argued the point for the owner and the insurance company did pay out.

    How can changing the colour of your car infect the insurance? They will do anything looking for a way out including the checking the depth of tread on the tyres even if a radio has been stolen.

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    Having just spent the last 18 months trying to get a 'claim' against my name removed from the CUE (Claims and Underwriting Exchange) database because it never happened I can personally testify to the lengths insurance companies will go to extract every last penny from you in premiums and try to avoid paying out in the event of a claim.
    They WILL void your insurance if they uncover anything out of the ordinary about your car, it's not a rational decision, who would imagine that custom made exhausts would affect anything other than the sound the car makes but if you don't inform your insurance company about 'modifications' then they will use it against you to avoid paying out on claims.
    I found out to my cost that the CUE database is used by all the larger insurance companies to check claims against your name regardless of cause, blame or fault and this does affect the premium you pay. I discovered that a query I had lodged 18 months ago had been entered as a multiple vehicle collision for which I was to blame, this hiked my premiums with every insurance company I tried to renew with. After several heated phone calls and over several months this was changed to a single vehicle collision for which I was not held to be at fault. It was changed a second time to reflect a single vehicle collision which I was not to blame for costing £8 in repairs. How can a reported accident (which this wasn't) be changed like that when it so dramatically affects the renewal premiums. The company reporting the alleged incident could not provide any evidence of phone calls or written notes to support the occurence of this alleged accident but they still refused to remove the record. I finally had to provide sworn testimony to the insurance company that the accident did not happen but have received no acknowledgement of fault or any compensation for higher premiums paid. As I pointed out to them they had no grounds whatsoever to enter those details in their database because the accident never happened and so I had been left with the problem of trying to prove a negative something that never happened, someone, somewhere had pressed the wrong button and I was suffering the consequences. In spite of all my protestations the insurance company refused to change the database in spite of the fact that they could not provide me with any evidence of a claim, nor could they tell me how the database entry had been changed so dramatically and on whose authority. The only reason I managed to get any sense back into this situation was through my broker and threats of interaction with the Ombudsman.
    I think the point about this debate is that we all like to think we live in a tolerant, fair minded society where there is give and take on both sides and for the most part that is true but we do have to accept that there are times when someone, somewhere will pop up and say "Allo, allo, allo what's goin on ere then?" and you will then find that the MOT man will fail your car because of the air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror (forward vision restricted) or your number plate not complying completely to accepted standards even though they've both been fitted for years and have never ever been a problem in the past. I don't intend to live my life worrying about how loud my exhaust is or whether my paint colour is original but I am not stupid enough to think that it will not affect something somewhere and it will come back to bite me....maybe.

    Nich (CUE database checked and clear).
    Nicholas John Peter Tinker - # 484

    Manufactured on Tuesday 27th April 2004 @ 12.17.47.
    Commission Number: 24468.
    Brochure Model: M3 Tourer 4.6 V8 260PS.
    Specification Code: L01B.
    CICode: D1511.
    Trim Level: TL8.9 (M3).

    65th ZT-T 260SE to be made out of 114.
    11th ZT-T 260 SE in Pearl Black (PBT) out of 23 produced.

    Manufactured in the UK by MG Rover Group Ltd.


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