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Okay chaps, have been talking to Garry from Piper Exhausts about developing an oval for you people who have a need for a louder exhaust note similar to the x-powers but with a better quality sound and SS material.
Garry can develop not only the boxes but a mid section as well. Is there anyone who lives near Garry (Kent) who can let him hear the x-powers? Using a 260 as a test car is not a problem as Garry's Grandad is Brian who has a BRG mk1.
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Originally Posted by Tim
Yep - send me the details
Morning All.
As mention by Tim above, we have been approached by a couple of your members to look at developing a pair of rear boxes for the ZT260. The reason we were approached is people are looking for a good quality replacement for the stock boxes as they are starting to need changing as they are deteriorating now.
I understand that their are 2 common options at the moment but both with bad points. The first is the Zero Exhausts for £550.00, its accepted that these are very good quality but the price is high. The second option is the X-Power boxes, but im told these are no longer available.
I plan to make an option that ticks both requirements, Price and Quality.
We had Brian (my Grandad) bring his car (#182) in my workshop yesterday and had a look at the underside and did some initial costings.
We plan to offer 2 options of tailpipe design to suit both requirments, a twin tailpipe option like the OE ones and the Zero ones, and also an Oval option for people that want the X-Power style.
Both of these options are looking to cost £399.99 inc vat (£347.82 Ex vat). They will be made from T304 stainless steel, come with a full fitting kit and lifetime guarantee.
In order to get the development signed off by my accounts dept i need an initial order for 10 pairs of boxes (10 cars). These can be mixed tailpipe options. I understand their is already the demand for the product and am happy to jump on the development once i have reached the initial 10 orders.
What i would like is for anyone that wants them to give me a call and place the order and pay a 50% deposit. Once i have the 10 initial orders i will book Brians car back in and get them developed, made and shipped.
I shall offer free carriage to the first 10 orders saving £15.00.
In case some of you are not aware of our work, i have attached a few pictures of recent developments.
Astra VXR
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...AST16AS-K2.jpg
Nissan R35 GTR
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/0196-Web.jpg
Honda Civic Type R - EP3
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...vicRSystem.jpg
Vauxhall VX220 - Manifold
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...Headon-Web.jpg
Noble M12 GTO
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...lbum/noble.jpg
Westfield - OE Supplier
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/4BCS0202.jpg
I hope this is of interest to you and look forward to speaking with you.
If anyone has any questions you can either ask in this thread, send me a PM or call me and have a chat on 01303 245300.
Kind Regards
Garry Curley
Race Product Development Dept
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Originally Posted by PiperRS
Garry if you want to hear/see the x-powers at any stage, drop me a PM.
On a general point to all - is it worth looking at any other section of the exhaust at the same time.
Also are the ZT and ZT-T boxes the same
Okay mate. If the project goes ahead i shall ask you to head over :)
Shall monitor this thread to measure demand.
So far looks like no one, lol.
Garry Curley
Race Product Development Dept
I don't know if anyone has had problems elsewhere, but no doubt it will come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragman
I think the ZT-T boxes are same but the end pipes are longer?
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Originally Posted by PiperRS
Give it a while - there's a lot going on at the moment so people may take a while to feedback
as much as i want ovals, having paid for the zero's financially its a waste. however, if someone wanted to buy my zero's then i would go for a set of new ovals. alternately, i would love to replace or upgrade to sports cats, or replacing the single centre section, if up graded parts can be made.
i've considered the manufacture of and replacement of the standard parts for better quality stainless steel items as i'm a confident stainless TIG welder have a nice ESAB machine that i rarely use at home, do most at work.
how far you want to go i don't know as less restrictive exhaust manifolds would be great,
another idea of a stainless induction system to replace the rubber set up 75mm tube.
3 inches or 75mm longer to be precise.Quote:
I think the ZT-T boxes are same but the end pipes are longer?
It is just the 260 we are currently looking at just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksilver
Thats okay, im in no rush, its the members i shall let come to me if they want the development to go ahead :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragman
We can bend 76.20mm (3") so could possibly do the induction pipe work also if it was wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by pessling
We did look at the rest of the system and will probably develop the full system, excluding the over axel pipe and manifolds.
Kind Regards
Garry Curley
Race Product Development Dept
what i'm looking for in the induction side is to remove the stock item minus the MAF, and to have a stainless pipe running from behind the bumper where i have removed the blanking plate.
As you are going to have a car to look at i'll let you get some ideas.
The Induction side is certainly something that would be good to do but recently
whilst under the car I noticed the exhaust pipes, especially where they bend near the rear end are getting quite rusty on the bends, Ive not heard of anyone replacing theres yet but perhaps getting a kit sorted now would be a good idea
in time for the eventual failure of the originals, I would be interested in a ss system from manifold to existing X powers
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Originally Posted by Geoff11
Agree completely - certainly something I'd be interested in
mine appear to be rusty on the bends also, I think it is just surface though- the pipes do appear to be stainless, but a low grade stainless.
Very low grade I'd have saidQuote:
Originally Posted by black olive
PiperRS Any news on development / production yet ?
I am ready to replace my originals , I would like Quad pipes with X-power sound :D
Cheers
Clive
Think it all depends on commitments from owners before Piper will developQuote:
Originally Posted by 9111tiles
Can the sound the final product makes be altered easily during the production of each set??
As 911 said, I prefer the quad look but am interested in a much more... err... visceral exhaust note. However, its possible some people will just want the quads with sublte OEM sound to replace their original sets etc.
I have a set of zeroes im more than happy with, and from the comments from the xpower owners im not sure i could live with xpowers the full year round (low revving drone - winter slow speed months etc), so basically im am interested in a loud set of boxes for summer... :)
But as geoff said, it would be good if a full set of plans for the entire system was drawn up so when parts do eventually go, we have a place to turn to.
Nice range of work by the way, good to have you onboard :)
I am also ready to replace my originals, I would be looking for OEM design with sound similar to levels emitted by Zeros, ideally with no resonance.
Mike Gray
Taken the plunge :eek:, went to a local specialist exhaust company, (they can design/make whatever you like) explained what I wanted and they are making / fitting tomorrow :D
Will let you now how it turns out :drive
Powerflows I guess then ??Quote:
Originally Posted by 9111tiles
I too would be interested in quads with XPower type sound. I have XPowers and love the sound they make. I dont find it all that bad. It really comes down to how careful you are with the loud peddle around town!
CliveQuote:
Originally Posted by 9111tiles
I am keeping an eye on the forum but shall not be developing anything until i have met the minimum initial order quantity to cover the development costs.
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by Ragman
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Originally Posted by SH4RKY
No problem :) If you call and place the order and deposit we can get things going :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Gray
If any of you are wondering how this would work, please have a read of this thread (LINKY). We did the same with the Lotus Elan forum. They came to us wanting a system to be developed, so we looked at a car, offered the quote, the members then called and paid deposits, once all deposits were received, a development date was set and the car worked on. Once that was done, the balances were paid and the orders shipped.
I hope that is all okay.
Kind Regards
Garry Curley
Well there on !!!!
It now sounds like a V8, I asked them to make it sound like my Mustang and it certainly does :eek: :D
Some pics
Can you load them via link? I dont have access to view the files?
Garry
9111tiles can I ask how much they cost? and what make they are?
Any news on the induction side Garry
Question for Piper.
I would want quad pipes. Would this be a single pipe coming out of the exhaust box or would this be twin pipes. I know it will appear the same but I would certainly want the twin pipes coming out of the box (like the zero's).
Sound wise I would look (hear) for something a bit louder than the Zero's if possible but the dreaded 1500-2000 rpm problem is something i worry about.
to make it really difficult. I have a ZT-T. Would you need 10 orders for the ZT or will you also accept ZT-T's.
Does the price include fitting ? (although I most likely would need to get them shipped to the NL)
Thanks, Peter
What are the numbers looking like here? I'm very keen for a set of quads for my car, but the zeroes are too quiet for my taste.
If these aren't looking like being forthcoming, I'll probably get a set of cobras like the ones above.
:)
9111tiles, they look great and i presume they are more substantial aurally than Zero's, is that right? How much are they and where are they from? Thanks Gaz
Hi Garry
Just wondered if there was any progress on this yet, as per PM I have an intermediate pipe you can borrow for measurements if it is of any help.
I'd be keen to explore a whole system, as I believe others have mentioned, as the standard set up (at least on mine) is starting to show its age.
Cheers
Colin
Hi Gary - potential group buy of the exhausts in 9111titles post above - see here:Quote:
Originally Posted by gary braithwaite
https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc26...ead.php?t=4985