For Sale..........mmmmmm - but not sure

[precious metal]

Just picked up a lovely 2004 MK2 260 SE V8 saloon in Typhoon Monogram Chromactive with Black Leather. it has the X powers, low miles and has the 4 options - HK HiFi, PFM, EMS and ERSB.

i bought it to for stock to sell on as usual but having just driven it 200 miles it is so nice and the colour is fantastic i am now possibley going to keep it to use as a weekend car !!

decisions decisions !!!!

regards

JB
www.elitecar.co.uk (http://www.elitecar.co.uk)

[colintf]

it would be good to have a keeper for a while :cool:

[spartacus]

Could someone enlighten me on the acronyms??

[Ajay]

Could someone enlighten me on the acronyms??

HK HiFi probably refers to the lump of plastic in the boot that hangs from the rear shelf and reduces load space.
EMS at a guess is Electric Memory Seat.
ERBS would be Electric Rear Sun-blind.
PFM....... ain't got a clue :confused:

[wraith01mg]

Power fold mirrors

[precious metal]

Sorry, my mistake, i thought most people knew what the 4 main factory options were, yes its those 4 options including the lump of plastic hanging............

like the decription, new one on me, and great sense of humour.

got so many smiles, waves and thumbs up drIving down the M1, even when stuck on the M25 pm traffic its more pleasant to be in a 260 with a V8 growl

regards to all

[Tim]

Keep it man! You know it makes sense :) Is there a link I've missed?


Sorry, my mistake, i thought most people knew what the 4 main factory options were, yes its those 4 options including the lump of plastic hanging............

like the decription, new one on me, and great sense of humour.

got so many smiles, waves and thumbs up drIving down the M1, even when stuck on the M25 pm traffic its more pleasant to be in a 260 with a V8 growl

regards to all

[Coasting]

I dont think we can make a decision without...

PICTURES!!

:p

[precious metal]

will get some pics done asap . JB

[spartacus]

Oh, that's what the acronyms mean. I've got all them too :)

[precious metal]

as requested, not the best quality and cars not clean, taken down at south coast today

regards jb

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[colintf]

looks very nice :thumb

#298 or#373?

:cool:

[precious metal]

Hi

its 373 and a few more pics that show the colour flip change, decided to keep it for me now. going in for a service and mod heater hose this week

regards JB

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[colintf]

very nice!

Your initial pictures looked more Twilight to me but having seen the new additional pics it's certainly Typhoon (the colour I nearly had my TF)

Very nice to :thumb

[T16]

Arrgh..

cant people host the images on imageshack so the unpaid members can see them?

[AndyG]

Arrgh..

cant people host the images on imageshack so the unpaid members can see them?

Hopefully you can see these:
https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/gallery/albums/676/medium/DSC01936.jpg (https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3932&size=big&cat=)

https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/gallery/albums/676/medium/DSC01937.jpg (https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3933&size=big&cat=)

https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/gallery/albums/676/medium/DSC01939.jpg (https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3934&size=big&cat=)

https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/gallery/albums/676/medium/DSC01940.jpg (https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3935&size=big&cat=)

[colintf]

looks even better in the big pics above :thumb

[Andrew M]

James;

Just sent you a PM

Regards, Andrew

[precious metal]

so sorry, i have been away for 2 days, just replied by PM

regards JB

[Andrew M]

Hi James...Just replied back - Thanks

Regards, Andrew

[colintf]

are you selling this one now, rather than keeping as weekend car - seen on Pistonheads
MG ZT 4.6 V8 260 SE Saloon - X Power (2004)

26,500 miles£8,995http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-1t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-2t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-3t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))
http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-4t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-5t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-6t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))
http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-7t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-8t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/3531/3531633-9t.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0))
A lovely example of a Rare Mustang Powered MG ZT, one only 880 made by MGSnR - Top of the range model offered by the UKs leading MG ZT 260 V8 and Vauxhall Monaro VXR Specialist

2004 04 reg MG ZT 4.6 V8 260 SE Saloon finished in very Rare Monogarm Chromactive Typhoon (Blue - Purple - Green) with full Black Leather Sports Interior

4.6 Mustang V8 engine and RWD and Tremec 5 Speed Gearbox. This is nothing like a std V6 ZT, different body shell / floor pan and prodrive sourced brakes / suspension etc by MG sport and racing. having covered only 26,500 miles and has FSH (6 x Stamps - MG and Spec) Lovely Condition, looks and drives like a newer car and has a high spec inc :

non modified and Standard V8 (Ford) mechanics apart from rear MG X Power Exhausts fitted (sounds like a TVR) and privacy glass

High Spec inc :
Factory SAT NAV (BMW)
HiFi Stereo / 6 x CD Player
Fully Electric Seats
Traction Control
Cruise Control
18in Spoked Alloys
Multi Function Steering Wheel
Electric Windows and Mirrors
Remote Central Locking
Dual Zone Climate Control
Multiple Airbags
Heated Seats
Xenon Headlights and washers
PDC - Park Distance Control
Front Foglamps
Alarm and Immobilser

Car also has the 4 extra factory options available :

Drivers memory Seat £300
Electric Rear Blind £225
Power Fold Mirrors £150
Harmon Kardon HiFi (bmw) £450

Chromactive Paint option £2400

Private V8 Reg plate available also at extra cost

AWESOME CAR AND BECOMING COLECTORS CARS ALREADY

AS WE ARE A DEALER : PART EXCHANGE POSSIBLE and FINANCE FACILITIES

Car comes with 12 Months 5 star Warranty Included

Please see our website for further details and pictures onwww.elitecar.co.uk (http://www.elitecar.co.uk/)

or Tel : 01420 488824 or 07831 439777

email : sales@elitecar.co.uk

[T16]

Priced at £9k, you might be keeping it for longer than you think!

[precious metal]

Hi, i have listed it on the net but am using it at weekends and some weekdays, car is for sale like all my cars but quite happy to keep it until its sells, although i have just bought something else on saturday and and not sure whether to keep that either or sell the ZT .......

every time i drive the ZT it just makes you happier than you were......

JB

[Coasting]

Hi, i have listed it on the net but am using it at weekends and some weekdays, car is for sale like all my cars but quite happy to keep it until its sells, although i have just bought something else on saturday and and not sure whether to keep that either or sell the ZT .......

every time i drive the ZT it just makes you happier than you were......

JB

Logic goes out of the window with the 260!

[ksilver]

Priced at £9k, you might be keeping it for longer than you think!

That spec and only 26,000 miles? I think it's quite a reasonable price actually.

[precious metal]

T16

thanks for your comments but as per your previous remarks on here about other cars for sale you seem to be in the market for a ZT 260 under £3k thats had damage or some sort of drama behind it. gladly thats not our market so this car is not in your budget.

as we are the UKs leading specialist in ZT 260's (have sold nearly 50 used ones since 2006) we end to know the market and the values for these cars. proper non drama ZT ZTT 260s are fetching anywhere from £5k to £10k depending on whether std / SE, mileage, history spec and condition. so the price is right for what the car is ie rare colour, SE mega high spec, X powers, very low miles etc etc.

FYI - a ZTT with higher miles sold for £9500 and one very high mileage for £7500 recently.

so i think i am right with the value thanks. i know you are after a very cheap one so are trying to put the 260 values down. i assume once you have found one you will want praising the values to go up ??

JB

[colintf]

seems a fair asking price to me :cool:

[SteveTD]

£9k is at the upper end of the scale, but then so is the car in terms of spec, miles, colour etc. Seems reasonable to me. I would be interested if I could sell my Moonshine TF160 - In fact - I might drop you a line about this James.....

[colintf]

£9k is at the upper end of the scale, but then so is the car in terms of spec, miles, colour etc. Seems reasonable to me. I would be interested if I could sell my Moonshine TF160 - In fact - I might drop you a line about this James.....

if your TF had aircon I would be very very very interested in it :cool:

[jenksman]

Hi
It's funny that in you "wanted" ad on EBay alongside your "for sale" ad you quote a figure of £5000
Seems to me you put a value on these cars dependent on whether you are buying or selling and use this forum to influence others
Please do us a favor we are not that gullible. Come out of the long grass and tell us what you paid for the car, after all if you are to be believed you are not even bothered about selling, because you like driving it at the weekends LOL
Dave



T16

thanks for your comments but as per your previous remarks on here about other cars for sale you seem to be in the market for a ZT 260 under £3k thats had damage or some sort of drama behind it. gladly thats not our market so this car is not in your budget.

as we are the UKs leading specialist in ZT 260's (have sold nearly 50 used ones since 2006) we end to know the market and the values for these cars. proper non drama ZT ZTT 260s are fetching anywhere from £5k to £10k depending on whether std / SE, mileage, history spec and condition. so the price is right for what the car is ie rare colour, SE mega high spec, X powers, very low miles etc etc.

FYI - a ZTT with higher miles sold for £9500 and one very high mileage for £7500 recently
so i think i am right with the value thanks. i know you are after a very cheap one so are trying to put the 260 values down. i assume once you have found one you will want praising the values to go up ??

JB

[AndyG]

This is the "Public section" Please take care with the posts.

[SteveTD]

if your TF had aircon I would be very very very interested in it :cool:

Stop teasing me! ;)

[colintf]

Stop teasing me! ;)

I was being serious!! :cool:

[Nich]

I can only repeat what I posted a year ago........................reliable dealer.

:D

Nich.

[Coasting]

Stop teasing me! ;)

Was thinking of respraying mine in moonshine as it is already silver I wouldnt have to bother with the inside bits!

Nice colour

Sorry off topic somewhat!

[spartacus]

Hi
It's funny that in you "wanted" ad on EBay alongside your "for sale" ad you quote a figure of £5000
Seems to me you put a value on these cars dependent on whether you are buying or selling and use this forum to influence others
Please do us a favor we are not that gullible. Come out of the long grass and tell us what you paid for the car, after all if you are to be believed you are not even bothered about selling, because you like driving it at the weekends LOL
Dave Is that not how a free market economy works? Buy at the best price you can and sell at the best price you can. All seems reasonable to me....

[SteveTD]

Why should he declare what he paid for it? I'm sure you don't go into Sainsbury's and kick up a stink because you aren't willing to pay the £2.39 price they have advertised their Colgate Toothpaste at?!
I have previously bought from James and had no problem whatsoever - a good, honest chap to deal with.

[ColinE]

Why should he declare what he paid for it? I'm sure you don't go into Sainsbury's and kick up a stink because you aren't willing to pay the £2.39 price they have advertised their Colgate Toothpaste at?!
I have previously bought from James and had no problem whatsoever - a good, honest chap to deal with.

I bought mine from James - again no problems

[Flying Silver]

Fair enough - James is asking for top money for this car (although others for sale would imply he could price the car a fair bit higher to be honest.
Fact is, this is a top car in all respects. And being sold by James you KNOW all issues will be sorted as per the clubs fixes (heater hose etc).
Dont forget dealers have hefty costs - premises, warranty, salaries etc.
I for one really appreciate James posting on here - gives us the opportunity for these sepcial cars before the general public....!
Thanks James.

[T16]

T16

thanks for your comments but as per your previous remarks on here about other cars for sale you seem to be in the market for a ZT 260 under £3k thats had damage or some sort of drama behind it. gladly thats not our market so this car is not in your budget.

as we are the UKs leading specialist in ZT 260's (have sold nearly 50 used ones since 2006) we end to know the market and the values for these cars. proper non drama ZT ZTT 260s are fetching anywhere from £5k to £10k depending on whether std / SE, mileage, history spec and condition. so the price is right for what the car is ie rare colour, SE mega high spec, X powers, very low miles etc etc.

FYI - a ZTT with higher miles sold for £9500 and one very high mileage for £7500 recently.

so i think i am right with the value thanks. i know you are after a very cheap one so are trying to put the 260 values down. i assume once you have found one you will want praising the values to go up ??

JB


Your just a dealer shifting cars. You buy them at £5K off people obviously desperate to get rid, and sell them on at a big profit for much more money than the market price.

What actual "expertise" do you provide other than buying low and selling high just like every other dealer in the universe.

I like the way you use the paint to your advantage, without telling anyone that in reality the monogram and flip paints are so expensive to repair, they are actually LESS desirable than normal colours.

Nice bit of marketing there. Maybe I shall start buying up ZT 260s at £5K, doing nothing to them other that using them for a few months, then list them back up at £9K.

You are the "UK leading specialist" .... LOL, according to who?! Its a self appointed title, and that says it all really.

[spartacus]

Interesting ideas there, but I fear they don't make much sense.

It's the nature of business to buy at a low price and sell at the highest price the market will stand - the law of supply and demand. What people are prepared to pay is the market value for that purchase.

Expertise is gained by working with a product on a regular basis and knowing how it works, isn't it? Otherwise how could anyone pass themselves off as a specialist anything?

Companies always use 'special' features as a marketing ploy, so what's the issue? Apple don'r sell their kit on the back of a the fact that you can't replace the batteries, Ferrari don't market their cars by telling people the extortionate cost of servicing.

Maybe you should give car dealing a go, but based on your philosophy - buy chaep and sell just as cheap. I'd be interested to see how you go.

Before anyone asks, no, I don't deal in anything... well, maybe some things, but I don't sell anything :)

[precious metal]

Thanks for all the different views and kind remarks, well almost.

you cant buy high spec ZT 260s that cheap now as they have got down to a value now that some people will just keep them if they are worth £6/7k. valued one last month and the chap still wanted £10k for it so is probably going to keep it as for the last but one comment, i think you are after something for nothing and will never pay what something is worth which is probably why you are still looking for a 260 bargain. we are the leading used expert as we have sold the most used ZT 260s in the UK !! a fair title i think, actually suggested by 2 x 260 owners who bought from us.

[T16]

Do you service and repair them yourself?

Have you ever done a clutch, or fitted a supercharger?

[Herman]

Just picked up a lovely 2004 MK2 260 SE V8 saloon in Typhoon Monogram Chromactive with Black Leather. it has the X powers, low miles and has the 4 options - HK HiFi, PFM, EMS and ERSB.

i bought it to for stock to sell on as usual but having just driven it 200 miles it is so nice and the colour is fantastic i am now possibley going to keep it to use as a weekend car !!

decisions decisions !!!!

regards

JB
www.elitecar.co.uk (http://www.elitecar.co.uk)

The thread started with a car for sale and has slightly deviated since then.

£9,000 is a fair amount of money and without knowing the initial price it's difficult to say whether it's overpriced or not.
Taken into account it comes with 12 months warranty and keeping the usual markup in mind the margin may not be as big as people think.
Also the sale is not a desperate one and the price may reflect that as well.
It is a nice low mileage example in a monogram colour. The colour may not be to everyones liking but was a paid option over regular colours.

I can't comment on the servicing abilities from James but can't see how this is relevant with regards to the mentioned sale, nor is the ability to fit a super charger.

As Elite has sold more than their fair share of 260's I think it's a correct to claim they are experts in this area (used 260's) whereas other dealers may only come across the car once or twice.

It would be nice to keep the thread on track and comment on the car rather than getting personal with the seller in question

[ashton]

£9k - Supply and demand. If its expensive in your mind then its not for you. Sounds about right for the car to me. Dealer, warranty, spec, colour, mileage, rarity, etc. I would suggest T16 goes and buys the same car SO much cheaper as he believes and puts it on for £8k making himself loads of cash BUT BUT BUT he wont find one! THAT'S WHY ITS £9K. We will soon see if its expensive on not "in the market place" by way of it being sold or still with him at the end of 2012??? I'll bet that as soon as the warmer weather arrives it will get sold in and around the asking price.

On another note - The more money they sell for, the higher the value of our cars go...............! Who's complaining?

[peterv8]

On another note - The more money they sell for, the higher the value of our cars go...............! Who's complaining?

Could not agree more!:-)

[stevenw]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some polarization in prices of 260s.
By this I mean some of the more desirable examples (very low mileage,rare colours or specifications)appreciate in value,simply because they are difficult to find and few and far between,whereas it's still quite easy
to find a dozen or more 260s for sale with average mileages or popular colours,so there's still plenty of supply of 260s if you're not too fussed about the mileage or you want a more common colour so prices of these may continue to slide.

[John Newey]

I'll declare my hand straight away-I'M A DEALER-MG DEALER and I've also bought and sold several MG ZT 260's (probably a dozen or more now!). I (like anyone on this earth!) goes to work to earn a living. As for ZT 260's (or any other car, for that matter) the idea is to buy as keenly as you can (remember, if you offer too little, someone else may offer more!) and to sell for as much as you realistically can (remember, if you price too high, then you might never sell!). As for colours, it's all down to the buyer, but my experience is that the rarer and more desireable monogram colours do fetch more money and always will! Most body repairs are down to insurance and they don't seem to add a premium to insure monogram cars. T16-if you don't like "precious metal's" price, then simples, find and buy a cheaper one elsewhere!

[ColinE]

Been watching this thread and whilst healthy debate and discussion are welcome; let's be civil to each other please

[StephenL]

I might come and have a look at this James. I've been looking for X-Power exhausts for a year without any luck and I've come to the conclusion if I really want them, I'm going to have to buy another 260 which already has them. On top of that, I came across your website earlier in the week when looking at Monaros for sale (the red one caught my eye), so two reasons to pay you a visit. I'll get in touch when I'm next in the area.

[ColinE]

Oddly enough James had a Monaro in when I was looking at the, what is now my, 260

[precious metal]

Stephen and Colin. yes we are UK's specialist Dealer in Monaro's and 260's as there is no substitute for U.S Muscle V8's

these modern day german V8's just have no soul !!

regards JB

[rolled1]

The car is an absolute beauty and compared to the soulless german equivalents its a bargain, if I had 8.5-9k I would snap it up in a second and Im sure it wont be on sale for long, as for whether the asking price is correct or not, like all cars its only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it; I will happily pay the asking price for it if someone can lend me the money! Im good for it, honest :-)

[monty48]

Just to say I have watched this argument over the price of this car with much interest as I was and still am intrested in at least looking at the car, as a novice to MG's I am a little confused as to the different views, given the experience of the members who have commented. I know different people are bound to have different ideas on what's good and bad but, I was hoping to get some clear friendly and educated information to enable Me to at least make my mind up as to if I look or not.

[Flying Silver]

Depends on your budget.

There is no doubt this is one of the ebst cars out there - James is a good honest dealer, and loves the 260s.
If your budget will allow, this is a top car and good value.
If your budget is lower there are cheaper cars, but they will not be as nice condition, higher miles and wont give you the same confidence in purchase.

If your after a monogram car - dont wait - this is pretty rare.....

[monty48]

Thanks for your reply, supose I just need to be sure I am making the right descision, Good to get positive feedback on James of Elite, gives me a bit more of a push to go and look for a start ( Wife permitting ) Thanks Again

[colintf]

Depends on your budget.

There is no doubt this is one of the ebst cars out there - James is a good honest dealer, and loves the 260s.
If your budget will allow, this is a top car and good value.
If your budget is lower there are cheaper cars, but they will not be as nice condition, higher miles and wont give you the same confidence in purchase.

If your after a monogram car - dont wait - this is pretty rare.....

I second that view :cool:

[monty48]

Thanks for your reply, supose I just need to be sure I am making the right descision, Good to get positive feedback on James of Elite, gives me a bit more of a push to go and look for a start ( Wife permitting ) Thanks Again

[Dominic22]

I own a 75v8 which I love, it is silver which again I like but I would agree that on our cars the unusual colours are fantastic, if I was looking again or if I get a 260 or another 75 v8 to go with it, I would look at one with a rear colour. Ideally Bacchus, as the numbers dwindle I really think there will be one market for the cars with standard colours and another for the colours that stand out from the crowd.

[ColinE]

Depends on your budget.

There is no doubt this is one of the ebst cars out there - James is a good honest dealer, and loves the 260s.
If your budget will allow, this is a top car and good value.
If your budget is lower there are cheaper cars, but they will not be as nice condition, higher miles and wont give you the same confidence in purchase.

If your after a monogram car - dont wait - this is pretty rare.....

I think that covers the situation perfectly!

[Herman]

Depends on your budget.

There is no doubt this is one of the ebst cars out there - James is a good honest dealer, and loves the 260s.
If your budget will allow, this is a top car and good value.
If your budget is lower there are cheaper cars, but they will not be as nice condition, higher miles and wont give you the same confidence in purchase.

If your after a monogram car - dont wait - this is pretty rare.....

Nice summary..................:)

[T16]

Im sorry, I still don't quite understand this.

Unless everyone in this thread who is saying its a great car has been to see it how can you tell?

There is no mention of any of the long list of "characteristics" that need sorted on pretty much all these cars.

You could drop £9K on on of these from a "specialist" and you would more than likely find that it leaked in the boot the first time it rained, or the fan resistor packed up shortly after purchase, or the A/C compressor is noisy, etc etc etc.....

Dealers sell cars for profit. I would be VERY surprised if ANY dealer car was cared for as much as an enthusiastic private owner.

I would never, ever purchase from a car dealer, Im really struggling to see the value that these supposed experts are adding.

I think anyone would be mad to line someone elses pocket whilst having no guarantee that its any better than a privately owned one at a lower price.

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary then I would be most receptive to this.

I remain pessimistic though, and I cannot see how a dealer car at several thousand pounds more than the most expensive private sales gets you any better example.

The car in this thread has not even got Apex alloys! The ONLY ones that really suit the ZT down to the ground.

Ive seen so many "mint" cars from dealers, and its hilarious how many of them look wonderful, but still have all the inherent faults that the ZT/75 range has.

If these faults were documented to have been fixed and there was evidence of this then sure, I could see where the extra value can come from, but all I can see here is just another 260 thats been bought off a private seller or a garage part ex, and sold on at a higher price after having had extra miles put on by the dealer.

Sorry to be pessimistic here, I hope I'm making my point clearly and politely!

Sigh.. I suppose I sound like a right miserable ****... still, free bumpage for the OP!

[AndyG]

When you get to my age and have owned over 50 cars I have been through it all.

I have mostly bought privately with limited guarantee as I repair my own stuff, (normally after modifying and busting something).

A dealer like James understands the quirks of our cars where most MG workshops don't. (personal experience).

Just to even it up Summit Garage, Austins, Dreadnought to name a couple I have dealt with, with success.

Good Luck. You will find what you want, or close to.

:-}

[HLMG_fan]

Somebody thought it worth a punt ;@)

[Flying Silver]

I would never, ever purchase from a car dealer, Im really struggling to see the value that these supposed experts are adding.


I can see where your coming from.
However, a dealer bought car usually comes with a warranty - and this does add value. More to some people than others. As AndyG says - some people are able to (and prefer) to take the risk and fix things themselves. others, like me, would leave things like that to the experts.

Looks like its sold though - lucky someone....

[precious metal]

Hi, yes we are all entitled to our own views,but this stunning car is now "SOLD", to a really genuine MG enthusiast couple, who understand the MG 260's and have done therir research on 260's, as they know some owners on here,

the car couldnt really have gone to more deserving and genuine new 260 owners. i had more interest in this car than probably any of the 45+ 260's i have had and is probably one of if not the best one i have had. genuinely will be sad to see it go. as you all know i buy and sell these beasts and i use a reputable garage to do work on these cars as they undeststand them as they have done work on most of the ones i have sold and get work done thats necessary. i use another main dealer for independent MOTs so the cars are thoroughly checked over by 3rd parties, so they and i know the foibles on 260's and know what to look for, so T16 as you dont know me or the garages i use, your comments are unfair and wrong.

yes people are commenting on it without seeing it - even you the most - T16 !!!!! so your comments are equally unfair, best keep saving up for your £2,000 CAT D 260

regards to all JB

[colintf]

Glad to hear that it's gone to a good home. :thumb

I hope the new owner is on here/ joins here soon :cool:

[spartacus]

Im sorry, I still don't quite understand this.

Unless everyone in this thread who is saying its a great car has been to see it how can you tell?

There is no mention of any of the long list of "characteristics" that need sorted on pretty much all these cars.

You could drop £9K on on of these from a "specialist" and you would more than likely find that it leaked in the boot the first time it rained, or the fan resistor packed up shortly after purchase, or the A/C compressor is noisy, etc etc etc.....

Dealers sell cars for profit. I would be VERY surprised if ANY dealer car was cared for as much as an enthusiastic private owner.

I would never, ever purchase from a car dealer, Im really struggling to see the value that these supposed experts are adding.

I think anyone would be mad to line someone elses pocket whilst having no guarantee that its any better than a privately owned one at a lower price.

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary then I would be most receptive to this.

I remain pessimistic though, and I cannot see how a dealer car at several thousand pounds more than the most expensive private sales gets you any better example.

The car in this thread has not even got Apex alloys! The ONLY ones that really suit the ZT down to the ground.

Ive seen so many "mint" cars from dealers, and its hilarious how many of them look wonderful, but still have all the inherent faults that the ZT/75 range has.

If these faults were documented to have been fixed and there was evidence of this then sure, I could see where the extra value can come from, but all I can see here is just another 260 thats been bought off a private seller or a garage part ex, and sold on at a higher price after having had extra miles put on by the dealer.

Sorry to be pessimistic here, I hope I'm making my point clearly and politely!

Sigh.. I suppose I sound like a right miserable ****... still, free bumpage for the OP!

I'm kind of getting the impression you are in the wrong place. And, if no-one bought cars from dealers (quote from the boldness above) who need to make a profit to survive, where would we get our second hand ones from?

BTW, I've a second hand 2001 Peugeot 206 for sale if you are interested. No guarantees, natch!

[Herman]

I'm kind of getting the impression you are in the wrong place. And, if no-one bought cars from dealers (quote from the boldness above) who need to make a profit to survive, where would we get our second hand ones from?

BTW, I've a second hand 2001 Peugeot 206 for sale if you are interested. No guarantees, natch!

Quite a polite post Mark. Sure you're feeling alright :) ??

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No guarantees, natch!

Natch here in the West Country is http://www.ratebeer.com/beerimages/62825.jpg http://ukcider.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Natch :thumb

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Quite a polite post Mark. Sure you're feeling alright :) ?? I can be quite eloquent when Stella is not visiting, or when I have a (semi) serious point to make. I'm a great believer in the "each to their own theory" and don't slag off anyone who doesn't agree with yours. A bit like my views on religion really, but let's not go there.

FFS, am i feeling alright? It's Wednesday and I have a Christmas tube of Smarties...