ZT Undertray

[Nigel Lewis]

Is the undertray the same on the 260 as other ZT/75`s?

If so, there is one for sale in Pistonheads classifieds under MG for £30.

[AndyG]

Is the undertray the same on the 260 as other ZT/75`s?

If so, there is one for sale in Pistonheads classifieds under MG for £30.

No. The 260 is unique.
;)

[ColinE]

No. The 260 is unique.
;)

So is the undertray :D

[ksilver]

Someone was speaking about getting a carbon fibre one made a few months ago, did this ever happen?

[ColinE]

I was going to look at it but haven't got round to do anything about it - yet!

[AndyG]

Someone was speaking about getting a carbon fibre one made a few months ago, did this ever happen?

Brian has a pattern I think :confused:

[Tim]

A few years ago we went to the original makers but they said 'no' they did not want to endanger any potential relationship with the new owners. Wonder what the situation is now.

[ColinE]

So what is the consensus - approach the original guys again or try carbon fibre fabricators

[Ajay]

So what is the consensus - approach the original guys again or try carbon fibre fabricators

Whichever gives best value for money.

OR

Investigate both routes

Not that I'm sitting on the fence or anything:o:rolleyes:

[ColinE]

Let me guess - you used to be indecisive but now you're not so sure?

[ColinE]

Whichever gives best value for money.

OR

Investigate both routes

Not that I'm sitting on the fence or anything:o:rolleyes:


In other words "Investigate both routes" to determine "Whichever gives best value for money" :D

[Ajay]

In other words "Investigate both routes" to determine "Whichever gives best value for money" :D

Maybe. It depends on which way you look at it but then on the other hand.......:rolleyes:

[Ajay]

The thought of a carbon fibre undertray sounds great but it may be cheaper to go for the same/similar type to that already fitted to [most] of our cars.

If cost reasonable, then Carbon Fibre:D

...so says Mr Indecisive:fight

Just don't ask me what's a reasonable price:o

[scooter]

I have made a mould and made one for myself out of black resin and glass. I never had the chance to fit it due to a customer being in great need. It is a lot of work and this makes it expensive. To make it in carbon would cost about £80 just for the carbon you would also need some kind of suction bag to get a good finish hence the reason I used glass. Might try to lay up a carbon one when I get the time but dont think that it would be cost effective.

[ColinE]

Guess that points to the first action should be to re-approach the original manufacturer - thanks Brian

[AndyG]

Guess that points to the first action should be to re-approach the original manufacturer - thanks Brian

Glassfibe would be a good route if enough people were interested.

The only advantage of Carbon would be a weight saving.
With 260/400 bhp only viable on a Race Car to gain 100th of a sec.

I have done a lot of Glass work and as Brian says time consuming.

If any one is in great need, I have a spare one. (260s members only)

PS. This is a Public section.

[Phil]

If my memory serves correctly (doubtful) the undertray from a 1.8T will fit but it doesn't go under the engine, just the front part. But if you were in desperate need it might do.

[pessling]

I think a carbon fibre one would work out very expensive. To get a similar thickness to what we have now you'd be looking at about 6 layers. Although 3 layers would give enough strength. You could also use a carbon fibre/glass layering or even a kevlar carbon layering, but again costs would determine that. The most cost effective would be the carbon glass fibre sandwich but is looked upon as cheating and cheap

[AndyG]

This is the 260s one:
http://thumbsnap.com/s/gPaKW7DB.jpg (http://thumbsnap.com/v/gPaKW7DB.jpg)

[colintf]

thanks Andy, not something we would normally see!

:cool:

[AndyG]

Another thread on the subject:
https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/f0rum/showthread.php?t=4499&highlight=sump&page=3

:)

[AndyG]

Just for interest. This is the Diesel tray.;)

http://thumbsnap.com/s/JrOfpjGX.jpg (http://thumbsnap.com/v/JrOfpjGX.jpg)

http://thumbsnap.com/s/56EvWQKE.jpg (http://thumbsnap.com/v/56EvWQKE.jpg)

[Keith]

The 260 version does look like a close copy of the diesel tray doesn't it!
It even has the hole for the FBH exhaust

[AndyG]

The 260 version does look like a close copy of the diesel tray doesn't it!
It even has the hole for the FBH exhaust

Front end similar, rear part is different. ;)

[colintf]

Front end similar, rear part is different. ;)

Are they adaptable for V8 use?

:cool:

[AndyG]

I would think not:




http://thumbsnap.com/s/56EvWQKE.jpg (http://thumbsnap.com/v/56EvWQKE.jpg)
http://thumbsnap.com/s/VHvBLlCe.jpg (http://thumbsnap.com/v/VHvBLlCe.jpg)

[pessling]

if a diesel one is all i could get i think i would use one, its not to dissimilar other than the rear section

[spartacus]

if a diesel one is all i could get i think i would use one, its not to dissimilar other than the rear section

I agree - doesn't look like it would need too much modification - especially if you had an original to hand.

[AndyG]

I agree - doesn't look like it would need too much modification - especially if you had an original to hand.

I think better to get the mould from Brian and make one.


EDIT: I do have a second one but a bit cracked. Could be repaired.
:kiss

[MG260SEV8]

I put you on to him originally in Manchester area

He has been selling fixings on eBay recently so I doubt that he is too worried about new owners and relationships

Give him another go but dont waste his time asking for one undertray

He is a manufacturer not an enthusiast

Ian

[AndyG]

I put you on to him originally in Manchester area


:confused:

Do you have a link Please.

;)

[don macintosh]

A few years ago we went to the original makers but they said 'no' they did not want to endanger any potential relationship with the new owners. Wonder what the situation is now.


is it possible to approach the original suppliers now or can they offer am alternative route via the new owners.

[AndyG]

is it possible to approach the original suppliers now or can they offer am alternative route via the new owners.

How many peolpe want/need one??

The can be made in GlassFibre or CarbonFibre (at a price)

[Klaus]

Yes. definitely interested! Whats up with the parts surrounding the tray? Have damaged the left front one close by the bumper.

[AndyG]

Yes. definitely interested! Whats up with the parts
surrounding the tray? Have damaged the left front one close by the bumper.
There are threads somewhere, here is one of them:


https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/f0rum/showthread.php?t=6478

;)

[AndyG]

There are threads somewhere, here is one of them:


https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/f0rum/showthread.php?t=6478

;)


Another one, the one I was looking for:
https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/f0rum/showthread.php?t=6649

[greeners]

I've fitted a new one from ebay, which is a diesel one......it fits perfectly except the two rear mounts which don't line up.

Cable ties for now but 2 little strips of ally, will do the job.

[woolleysox]

Hi David if you have fitted the diesel under tray did you remove the metal plate from it first or just fitted it complete. Looking at Andys pictures it looks as though you could simply cut the two rear tails off and re drill to line up the original fixings. or have I lost the plot?

[Coasting]

Did this ever get off the ground?

My current V8 has a tray and it looks all okay, but I remember the first V8 (VIN 323) never had one and probably didn't have it from new at it had 600 miles on the clock when I got it...

Did anyone else have a missing tray problem?

Never knew it was supposed to be there until I got this one... :o

[Tim]

Its a pending project. We tried to get the owner of the tray frames to make some for us but no deal. At the time he had his eye on China so did not want to rock the boat.

I'm thinking why try and replicate, why not improve the design and its that we need to develop.

I'll start a thread with the question on demand

[AndyG]

, why not improve the design

Stronger holes.















OK. Material surounding hole :D

[ColinE]

Access for oil changes

[peterv8]

Even if it's a pain to have to take undertray off for the oil change I think it gives you a good look of the engine to see so everything is ok, with a hatch you will not have as good of a overview of the engine regards leaks, bad wires and so on....
After all, it only takes 5-10 painfull minutes to remove it.;)

[woolleysox]

I've fitted a new one from ebay, which is a diesel one......it fits perfectly except the two rear mounts which don't line up.

Cable ties for now but 2 little strips of ally, will do the job.

Thanks to Ragman I now have an original :D To be fitted soon. I have a second hand one off an oil burner. When I offered up the orignal against the oil burner the oil burner is longer and wider and has a metal plate fixed to it. In my opinion it could be modfied very simply,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MGZT-Rover-75-Engine-Undertray-less-clips-/150464728346?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2308658d1a

Available on ebay for oil burners

[Merl]

Thanks to Ragman I now have an original :D To be fitted soon. I have a second hand one off an oil burner. When I offered up the orignal against the oil burner the oil burner is longer and wider and has a metal plate fixed to it. In my opinion it could be modfied very simply,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MGZT-Rover-75-Engine-Undertray-less-clips-/150464728346?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2308658d1a

Available on ebay for oil burners

Is that definitely an oil burner one? a friend was looking at that for his 190 but was not sure...

Plus a couple of months ago they were also selling them at £55 so quite a price hike :(

[woolleysox]

Is that definitely an oil burner one? a friend was looking at that for his 190 but was not sure...

Plus a couple of months ago they were also selling them at £55 so quite a price hike :(


The one shown on ebay is for the oil burner same as mine, I would think is would also fit a 190 Greeners managed to fit the oil burner one to his 260.

Speak to nick at Austins im sure he would advise you. I am attending a nano meet (folks fixing cars) on the 13th I will see if we can confirm that for you. Hope that helps:D Also check out Andy s post No 22 with picture and you should see for you self.

[Merl]

The one shown on ebay is for the oil burner same as mine, I would think is would also fit a 190 Greeners managed to fit the oil burner one to his 260.

Speak to nick at Austins im sure he would advise you. I am attending a nano meet (folks fixing cars) on the 13th I will see if we can confirm that for you. Hope that helps:D

Think my friend in question and I are attending that one looking at the list of names ;)

Was going to ask Nick on my next visit up there and well on past visits as well but you know what its like you get distracted talking about everything else with the cars.... :D

[AndyG]

No 26 is better they are the same way round.

http://thumbsnap.com/s/56EvWQKE.jpg (http://thumbsnap.com/v/56EvWQKE.jpg)
http://thumbsnap.com/s/VHvBLlCe.jpg (http://thumbsnap.com/v/VHvBLlCe.jpg)

[woolleysox]

Think my friend in question and I are attending that one looking at the list of names ;)

Was going to ask Nick on my next visit up there and well on past visits as well but you know what its like you get distracted talking about everything else with the cars.... :D

Just an update my undertray now fitted by nick:D so i have a second hand undertray for the oil burner available. Regret it will have to be collected or can be delivered to a meet? £25 same as it cost me if no takers i will post it on th Gents site.:)

[jenksman]

Hi
If you can take it to Janspeed on 9th April I'll have it
Dave aka Jenksman

[woolleysox]

Hi
If you can take it to Janspeed on 9th April I'll have it
Dave aka Jenksman


Hi Dave sorry its already been claimed this morning by Stu C :~

[Tatra Man]

Did this ever get off the ground?

My current V8 has a tray and it looks all okay, but I remember the first V8 (VIN 323) never had one and probably didn't have it from new at it had 600 miles on the clock when I got it...

Did anyone else have a missing tray problem?

Never knew it was supposed to be there until I got this one... :o

I have No.123 and it doesn't have one but I've no way of knowing if it's gone missing at the hands of a previous owner.

Is there a parts list with VIN No. introduction details?

[dixiejon]

Where are we now!!! with this?? Anybody got any info on/position regarding under-tray,s
Looking for a a response here
Dixie

[David]

Where are we now!!! with this?? Anybody got any info on/position regarding under-tray,s
Looking for a a response here
Dixie
Whao! Calm down. Unsure from your post what you need to know, but ...

Do you need one?
The thing is there for a reason (well several actually, if you read through the threads here), and they all had them, even if many have gone AWOL, so a good thing to have. No down sides anyway, surely? Sound proofing, under car airflow, cooling airflow through both radiator and the engine bay, keeps all sorts of mechanicals and electronics apart from road salt, water, mud, ice, snow and other detritus, not to mention (some) protection from speed bumps and any random road kills too!

Where to get one.
Big problem is to get one, being NLA from ex-dealers and XPart, and second biggest, if you do find one even second hand, is to pay for it.
I was lucky enough to the buy the actual new NOS one (KRB000151) from AndyG, pictured in his post #48 above, but
I hear the cut down FWD 75/ZT diesel ones are almost just as good, albeit with a bit of work.

Any other option?
As far as an alternative is concerned, having a re-make run didn't look feasible cost-wise, as I recall.
The 'el-cheepo' thin plastic ones on eBay, are really useless, or so I hear from those who have tried them.

... I hope that answers your question, even if perhaps not what you hoped to hear :)

David

[dixiejon]

Nigel. Joined P,heads cannot find undertray. Any pointers.
dixiejon

[dixiejon]

Thank for ur insights David. Am still on the hunt for a 260 undertray.
dixiejon

[David]

Thank for ur insights David. Am still on the hunt for a 260 undertray.
dixiejon

OK, I sympathise. You will find it impossible to find one as 'NOS', I think.

Next week I will see if I can make a 'brown-paper' pattern from the original NOS undertray I got from AndyG, which I happen to have just taken off the car for an oil-change, and allow that to be used to accurately mark up a Diesel FWD 75/ZT for "trimming" and hole-boring. No personal experience of doing that, but hear that the FWD Diesel one, being deeper, is a more accurate shape than FWD petrol ones, and the end-result is then quite acceptable.

... of course you still need to find an intact diesel FWD one!

Perhaps Tim won't mind if I lodge a template with him for anyone else interested in future.

David

[Tim]

Perhaps Tim won't mind if I lodge a template with him for anyone else interested in future.

David

Yep. :)

Don't forget the club has a brand new tray which is being kept for possible re-make/template. We tried a few years ago as per this thread and interest was too low (cost too high per tray) for a production run. If memory is intact think it was a min of 50 trays. Different members have tried in the past to develop a tray but it normally fulls back to either scrappy or adjusting the diesel tray.

[ColinE]

Yep. :)

Don't forget the club has a brand new tray which is being kept for possible re-make/template. We tried a few years ago as per this thread and interest was too low (cost too high per tray) for a production run. If memory is intact think it was a min of 50 trays. Different members have tried in the past to develop a tray but it normally fulls back to either scrappy or adjusting the diesel tray.

The other thing to bear in mind re costings is shipping of such an item would not be cheap!

[David]

I'll make up a brown-paper pattern anyway next week, and send an extra one to Tim as well. Saves doing the work twice!

Good point about shipping an actual undertray, Colin. Imagine what it would cost to send one to Max over in Oz, should he need one!
Post Brexit, postage cost of even a large envelope to ship a paper pattern NL>UK has doubled!

David

[David]

FYI the undertray being advertised for £40 on eBay now is a cut-down FWD undertray as the seller confirms in the description.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125551184298?hash=item1d3b6f09aa:g:8MgAAOSw7SNidDG U&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAABIGTFPInnP8rVewkFqBCZ8AdBQNWCh KCFss1y6ThN5xJAxp1SmFQkuXd5X9faWW7ffb%2BGlqWlobY3S 6DV1MyrKObI1qgBMdifuH6%2BE2zGqmbVqXRsqkRIGloL42N%2 FshURtVyLB8JLgDYhS%2FjwKcQwrG4PduPHhdWihoub8iBcK9y pRgY5pC8FRjdqpNlZQQUEVNxW%2BlYRPiXpA30GycMOiG0rr%2 F6rO9F1EPqcMxak7JEvrFA2LQiitSOjTgQbK0nWFEugQCY%2F6 LPEjXn5gxmXbHWXB3Hz7CWew2NsOJvbXfSVDeFodiYlrMh%2FY tvIRUd0YLK98mkLAUfpDJfci35ffqKXvBWKtuJN1434oyGJn%2 FrShuvuDoZS7H6XORVsLyPkyw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5L93L L2YA

Not wildly expensive though, so could be worth an offer if you live in Tyne and Wear?

David