Silver 260 SE (LPG) Mods 38k Miles

[rossy]

Its a 2004 on 53 plate (Private at mo, but thats to come off) Starlight Silver SE so basicaly has every extra bar crouse and Traction as they only really came in to play on the MK2.
39k now!
Its a late MK1 and has the small lip spoiler on the boot which I prefer and not the huge boomerang one.
It has a one off Exhaust system (original inc with sale) which everyone comments sounds out of this world.
Wind deflectors on all side windows.
Widescreen motorised TV and upgraded to DVD Sat nav from the very slow CD standard ver.
Apex Alloys with 4 close to new tyres less than 1500 miles on them.
The Gas conversion was close to £3000 all in, I paid this as I did not want to loose power on LPG and so a performance LPG conversion was done. This also ment changing all 8 coil packs to ensure the best spark and burn of gas. It also has a one off 4" induction kit, goodrich braided brake lines all round, pony on front grill, blacked out fog light surrounds, audi style front side lights, M3/Mini side LED repeeters and grill, MK2 rear ZT centre badge, one off stainless LPG filler cap and the Acufab 75mm Throttle body.

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I'd like £7,495 and would hope to get close to this simply becuase of the LPG, its like running a Diesel on fuel costs but with the power and touque of a Mustang 4.6 V8. I test drove 6 before buying this one. some MK1 and MK2 and this simply drove the best in every way and still does.
It had 26k on it when I bought it 3 yrs ago and has just done over 38k now.
I have lots of paperwork and the LPG cert which also gets you a reduction on road tax.
It has had oil change and filters every 5k and at the last all oil changed, Brake oil when the 4 braided brakes lines were fitted, gearbox and diff.
Engine oil is Mobil 1 but not the really thin stuff.
I'm sure there is stuff I've missed out so any Q's fire away.
I have every MOT and the original Bill of sale from Southport MG main Dealer!

Only down side, I reversed in to a post that the Park sensors missed. I have not had this repared so that anyone looking can see it first and then I'll have it done as its only small. But thought if I get it done before peeps will wonder then just how bad it was before if they see fresh paint etc.


PM me for details.

Rossy

[rossy]

Not even a sniff?

[black olive]

Probably need to cast your net wider- Ebay or pissstone heads for starters

[precious metal]

Rossy, not sure where you have advertised your car, but i think you may want to review the price, as firstly MK1's are now worth less than MK2's as they now look dated to the average buyer (sorry to you MK1 owners, as i know its personal preference, but the enquiries i get are now for mainly MK2 as opposed to MK1s 2 yrs ago).

plus the main thing is your price of around £9,500 is about £2,500 over what its really worth. and given that scenario its not good value in the market place as someone will only buy an lpg converted car if they are saving on the costs of what the cars market value is plus the cost of new lpg system fitted. so your price is more than the two added together.

The lpg system s/hand only adds max of £500 - £750 to the cars market value of max £6,500. plus as you dont have the paperwork or more importantly the installation cert. this will put buyers off and is potentially worth not a lot more than a std non lpg car.

I would pitch the car around £7,500 but be prepared to still have come down on that.

goodluck anyway, regards

James @ Elite Car co.

[rossy]

James, it clearly says above that I had the LPG conversion done... thus I have the reciept and the cert!! So was not to happy at you saying "as you don't have the paperwork" I also have original bill of sale from MG/Subaru Dealership in Southport off 1st owner showing what he paid and his part exchange and all other bills and reciepts..plus its only done 38k not many left with this low miles even the MK2s also only 2 owners. Most are now 50/60k + miles and like me I think quite a few peeps prefer the more aggresive looks of the MK1 they are the same car at the end of the day...
Other than that appreciate the info...but should we not be trying to keep the value of these future classics up not putting them down?
I will not take less than £8000, but if I advertised it at this peeps presume you'll take £7000 I think its worth more than the £8000 I want...it stands me at over £15,000!
Plus am just bored with it now...its no diss to the car, quite the oposite as I do not usualy keep them this long..3 years is only beeten by my 5 years of Porsche ownership!
If it goes it goes, if it doesn't it doesn't its still a good car that does what I want, just fancy a BMW as my mate got one and was impressed.

[cherrybusa]

Just re read the original message that James commented on as I to thought there was no paperwork for the LPG conversion, - a typo reads 'Losts' instead of 'Lots' - so guess he made same mistake as me thought it was lost!

[spartacus]

Hmmmm - I read it as lost as well. Perhaps we need a smellchucker for this frum. Alternatively, everyone should use Firefox which has inline spellchecking. I an using IE at work :vomitwhich is why I'm allowed to misspell things...

[Herman]

Hmmmm - I read it as lost as well. Perhaps we need a smellchucker for this frum. Alternatively, everyone should use Firefox which has inline spellchecking. I an using IE at work :vomitwhich is why I'm allowed to misspell things...


Maybe this helps (apologies for diverting the thread)

spellcheck (http://www.iespell.com/)

Herman

[spartacus]

I'm at work - not allowed to install anything either...:mad:

[rossy]

What is bad is I use firefox, must not have the spell check turned on..

I appologise anyway...I have "a great deal of paperwork"! :o

I also corrected the above.

[ColinE]

Who did the braided brake hoses for you?

[rossy]

Who did the braided brake hoses for you?

Me!

They are Goodridge for a MG ZT 190 and then bought adaptors for the rears.

[precious metal]

Rossy

Thanks for your comments, yes it read it as "lost" not "lots", but i see you have edited it now, so confusion over thanks.

Goodluck with your sale, i was not trying to undervalue your car as i think they are still great cars, i was just giving you honest market advice. as you now want £8k thats a bit more realistic as your £9,500 was obviously your "wish price" you will be doing well if you can get around £7,000 - £7,500. also your comment of what it owes you is unfortunately mainly irrelevant to the cars current value. (unless you have a bill for a supercharger hidden in there !!)

Goodluck once again, if i know of anyone wanting something like yours i will pass the details on.

regards

James

[ColinE]

Me!

They are Goodridge for a MG ZT 190 and then bought adaptors for the rears.

Thanks - sorry phrased the question poorly, assumed you'd done them but wondered as to how, thanks for explaining

[rossy]

revised price

[rossy]

Rossy, not sure where you have advertised your car, but i think you may want to review the price, as firstly MK1's are now worth less than MK2's as they now look dated to the average buyer (sorry to you MK1 owners, as i know its personal preference, but the enquiries i get are now for mainly MK2 as opposed to MK1s 2 yrs ago).

plus the main thing is your price of around £9,500 is about £2,500 over what its really worth. and given that scenario its not good value in the market place as someone will only buy an lpg converted car if they are saving on the costs of what the cars market value is plus the cost of new lpg system fitted. so your price is more than the two added together.

The lpg system s/hand only adds max of £500 - £750 to the cars market value of max £6,500. plus as you dont have the paperwork or more importantly the installation cert. this will put buyers off and is potentially worth not a lot more than a std non lpg car.

I would pitch the car around £7,500 but be prepared to still have come down on that.

goodluck anyway, regards

James @ Elite Car co.


Just noticed your advert on the trader wanting to buy 260's...makes the above make more sense now...

[T16]

Regardless of his "motive", there is zero chance I would pay anything over £5000 for a Mk1. LPG just ruins the car for me, its always an ugly install.

Is this still for sale? If so then I think you could be in for a very long wait if you price it at over £7000.

Hell, I saw a facelift X-Power Grey car similar miles, go for £5400, and this took a while to sell too!

[havoc1]

I didn't exactly see a huge queue of people wanting to buy the car at £9500, irrespective of your implication that the guy James is trying to influence the market.

[spartacus]

I think Rossy should try and sell his car for what he hopes to get for it - people like me (who probably paid over the odds) may buy it. A car is worth what people are prepared to pay, like anything. I just hope he sells it to someone like me... who wants a V8... badly... and is a bit too spontaneous :D

[Bainzi]

Yep!

Same here and I got mine from James

[rossy]

I think Rossy should try and sell his car for what he hopes to get for it - people like me (who probably paid over the odds) may buy it. A car is worth what people are prepared to pay, like anything. I just hope he sells it to someone like me... who wants a V8... badly... and is a bit too spontaneous :D
Thanks!!

Concidering this is the 260s site I'm quite upset at the comments...

When I was looking to buy one 3 yrs ago people on here were telling me its a future clasic...it can only go up in value.....etc etc...
I can understand the LPG putting the "purest" off...but for those that want to own a V8 MG ZT as a daily driver like me you can not go wrong...
I think the car if fantastic and to be honest I'm in no rush to sell just want a change. I have had more cars than J. Clarkson. R. Hammond and J. May put together me thinks...so to have kept this 3 yrs is saying summat!
Yes the tank is in the boot but we still get our twins buggy in (60ltr tank) its a fantastic install and shows more power on gas than petrol and torque.
You forget...there are people out there like me that think they spoiled things with the MK2. Its just a MK1 with differant lights and bumpers...
Each to there own, but I think the MK1 looks more agressive and the MK2 should have been a completly new design...but everyone know why they did what they did..
So I am quite happy to keep running it..until I get what I think its worth..

If someone wants a MK1 or a MK2 there are not many about (For sale that is) with only 38k genuine backed up miles. I did see one on trader with 10k but thats £11500 and not LPG'd.
May I also point out that my LPG conversion works 100% unlike some of the other V8s I have come to know..in fact one of them took theirs to the place that did mine to get it sorted!!!
The car has 16 injectors...8 for petrol and 8 for LPG..not one huge one drilled and tapped into the intake like some off the storys you here about.

I quite supprised after all these years at the lack of support from the site that talked me into getting one and has given so much help over the last three years..
Guess now I'm thinking of changing that seems to have gone...was just hoping someone else who truly appreciates these cars would have looked here 1st...

If need be I'd lay the car up and simply get another run around until the climate changes, I'm certianly not going to give it away...

But thanks for all your support.............

[rossy]

£8500 or take BMW 535D in part ex plus cash. Possible other Diesel i.e. S Class Merc 320CDI or Audi 3.0 TDI?

[Zedtastic02]

Hi Rossy, first of all good luck with the sale (if it hasn't gone already) My 190 uns LPG and has the seperate injectors, Blimmin marvelous. Same power, but about 7 MPG less than petrol (LPG22 petrol29). My old 160 had a sysyem which was a single injector and it was pants! 10 MPG less and a very noticeable drop in power. If I had the beamer or the cash I wouldnt hesitate to buy the car, these are super cars at silly prices, don't suppose you would like a carina mkII :D

[Silver One]

Checking out Auto Trader today it looks as though (asking) prices are on the up for ZT260s, whilst prices for other models are falling. There's no science to it, but if dealer and private prices are hardening that will impact values.

Much seems to be written about Mk1 and Mk2 relative values, personally I think the Mk1 is rarer and looks better, but other people think differently.

;)

[rossy]

Hi Rossy, first of all good luck with the sale (if it hasn't gone already) My 190 uns LPG and has the seperate injectors, Blimmin marvelous. Same power, but about 7 MPG less than petrol (LPG22 petrol29). My old 160 had a sysyem which was a single injector and it was pants! 10 MPG less and a very noticeable drop in power. If I had the beamer or the cash I wouldnt hesitate to buy the car, these are super cars at silly prices, don't suppose you would like a carina mkII :D

Carina as part ex...?

Would consider it, as would still need a 5 seater till I get the BMW Merc, Audi or 300c. Yes been looking at them too. Merc engines so can't be to bad..still not a patch on the Beemr tho.

What figure did you have in mind? Or was it a joke?

[SteveChilds]

Checking out Auto Trader today it looks as though (asking) prices are on the up for ZT260s, whilst prices for other models are falling. There's no science to it, but if dealer and private prices are hardening that will impact values.

Much seems to be written about Mk1 and Mk2 relative values, personally I think the Mk1 is rarer and looks better, but other people think differently.

;)

The problem is that its hard to know what the value of these cars are. There aren't sufficient numbers to get a consistent idea. You get some Mk1s asking more than some Mk2s!

It certainly will be interesting to see where the prices go over the next 2-3 years. They do appear to be turning into a bit of a cult car.

[Silver One]

Nothing against James from Elite but when dealing with 'Gentlemen from the Trade' several dynamics are in play: firstly people who buy from them typically pay 2-4k over the comparable private price. For this they get convenience, some reassurance of a warranty etc and hopefully the car's credentials. On the flip side dealers need to keep the prices low they buy cars at to make a margin and slaughter a car's value if you want a part exchange. There's a market out there and we all need to make a living etc. My only concern with having one dealer that seems to specialise in our cars making regular postings on this forum 'home of the 260' is the influence that may have on what members sell their cars for and can get for them. Looking a dealer prices I think anyone selling should have balls to ask a good price and stick it out as there are people out there who want these cars. In other words we can all be 'dealers' ..... :

[SteveTD]

I dealt with James very recently and found him very fair to deal with when taking my 260 in part-ex. At the end of the day, everyone has to make a living, so a trade car being a few k more than private sale is blatantly obvious. Whilst I see the point you are making, I don't think James realistically has enough influence over this forum to raise any kind of concern - and in fact, would welcome his comments as someone in the trade.

I would agree that values are whatever someone is willing to pay. The more individual the car, the more it is worth. This applies to colour, spec, condition and history.

I've asked good prices for my 260's in the past (which have always been in great condition, top spec etc) and have been instantly shot down with comments of "seems expensive, I can get this one on autotrader with no history, 80k miles, poor condition and low spec for 2k less"!!!

You get what you pay for.

[Herman]

The problem is that its hard to know what the value of these cars are. There aren't sufficient numbers to get a consistent idea. You get some Mk1s asking more than some Mk2s!

It certainly will be interesting to see where the prices go over the next 2-3 years. They do appear to be turning into a bit of a cult car.

Probably because the MK1 is more rare than the MK2. Can't remember the numbers but guess it approx. 150-ish. When I went looking for the 260 I had set my mind to a MK1 just for the, in my opinion, more aggresive front.

Also, the MK2 has added options that not quite rock my boat...(Cruise Control? I rather have foot control.....Traction Control.....Right foot)

I know this is a personal opinion but it may very well be a wide spread one
(guess you can always disable CC & TC on a MK2)

Given this, I am not complaining about the value of the MK1's although I doubt if I would ever sell mine.......Just love it too much:drive

[V8 Steve]

Given this, I am not complaining about the value of the MK1's although I doubt if I would ever sell mine.......Just love it too much:drive

Me too my 260 will never be for sale, (I hope).

I believe there were only 135 Mk1 V8's made so they are quite rare. I personally am glad I got the Mk1. I'm fortunate to have got it new (registered 2mths) as if I'd waited any longer to get new it would have been a Mk2 and I don't know if I would have gone for it.

Rossy if you're not desperate to sell hang on in there or just advertise every where. I've just got a ZS180 as my daily driver, its a nice low miler (was 18.7k just turned 20k this morning) I paid top price. Over on Xpower forums the Zs guys regularly have this exact conversation about the value of their cars, but they still sell. Its just about if you can wait.

By the way my 260 has just turned 19k miles

Anyway good luck with the sale (try xpower forums, pistonheads etc.)

[rossy]

£7495...

Silly price for a lot of car...

Would consider a Part Ex too for a 4 seater, idealy 4 door too but as long as I can get the Twins Car seats in the back anything thats on the road...
I'm now looking for a Mercedes S500L

[rossy]

Still for sale and as soon as the weather bucks up will be taking Pictures to advertise on ebay, trader, pistonheads etc...

[rossy]

Sold Sold Sold