Hello

[JJay]

I have just recently bought a Rover 75 V8 and i absolutely love it already. I want to ensure it gets the right treatment it deserves and i intend to join the two sixties. I have two questions and no doubt more to follow as and when.

When it comes to diagnosing engine management faults is a T4 the only way to detect the error codes or are there some code readers available generally that your local garage may use?
What is available to view as a member that you cant view as a non member?

[David]

I have just recently bought a Rover 75 V8 and i absolutely love it already. I want to ensure it gets the right treatment it deserves and i intend to join the two sixties. I have two questions and no doubt more to follow as and when.

When it comes to diagnosing engine management faults is a T4 the only way to detect the error codes or are there some code readers available generally that your local garage may use?
What is available to view as a member that you cant view as a non member?


Congratulations and welcome! A man with taste, obviously :).

There are cheap readers that will connect and read the basic codes (engine/emission only and then only non-MGR specific). My Autel MaxScan GS500 for example does, and others I know use the Vgate Scan VS600 to good effect. Many cheap readers, in fact the majority, do not, however. There is a tester called the Pscan which is a lot more expensive but identifies at least some MGR and V8 specific data I understand (https://pscan.uk/ ).

As ever, the T4 is the only complete tester. Even that fails to "talk" to some 260's/R75V8s all of the time though, including my R75V8!

You will only get a fraction of the Forum information you will certainly need as a new owner, if you do not have full membership I'm afraid. Furthermore you do not get access to the club shop. Access to that alone could easily save you several years of MGOC membership cost (around 50 quid p.a.) at one visit; worth every penny! If (when) you decide, just PM Tim and ask for a questionnaire to be emailed to you.

What is the VIN (last 3 digits) of your R75V8, please? It may well be a car we know. A few photos would be nice too. By email for Nich or for me, David at mods.twosixties@gmail.com, if that's easier for you. Always trying to keep all our stats about the 887 cars up to date.
Thanks!

David

[JJay]

Thank you David. Its good to know you don't always need a T4. That was one of my biggest concerns. The cheap testers you mention i assume they will be able to remove/reset management lights when the issue has been solved?
I intend to join the MGOC just so i can join the forum .Tim has sent me the questionnaire which i intend to submit. Thanks again for your time.

[David]

...The cheap testers you mention i assume they will be able to remove/reset management lights when the issue has been solved? ...
Yes
... I intend to join the MGOC just so i can join the forum ... Great! As a Rover (not MG) owner, so did I. Still curious about your R75V8 VIN ;)

David

[jeff turbo]

I have just recently bought a Rover 75 V8 and i absolutely love it already. I want to ensure it gets the right treatment it deserves and i intend to join the two sixties. I have two questions and no doubt more to follow as and when.

When it comes to diagnosing engine management faults is a T4 the only way to detect the error codes or are there some code readers available generally that your local garage may use?
What is available to view as a member that you cant view as a non member?


Hi, I'm guessing from your post you have an engine management light on?

[David]

And if so, P0443 shouldn't wonder !

No, mustn't tempt fate, but I counted reports of the EVAP faults occurring over the years in posts here earlier in the year ("get a life", you might say!), I counted no less than 13 vehicles, and discovered that (statistically) P0443 occurs a whopping 9 times more frequently than you would expect on Rover 75V8's as against ZT260's. There must be a logical reason?

David

[SCP440]

. There must be a logical reason?



David

It has to be either the software for the Auto box or the way they are driven. My guess would be the fact it is more difficult to rev an Auto.

Steve

[JJay]

Yes Great! As a Rover (not MG) owner, so did I. Still curious about your R75V8 VIN ;)

David 525


And if so, P0443 shouldn't wonder !

No, mustn't tempt fate, but I counted reports of the EVAP faults occurring over the years in posts here earlier in the year ("get a life", you might say!), I counted no less than 13 vehicles, and discovered that (statistically) P0443 occurs a whopping 9 times more frequently than you would expect on Rover 75V8's as against ZT260's. There must be a logical reason?

David EVAP? Is that to do with fuel system. Can it be as silly as the petrol cap not fitted properly?


Hi, I'm guessing from your post you have an engine management light on? Yes

[jeff turbo]

I have nexpeak and that reads 260 engine codes

[David]

EVAP codes (but not P0443) can be caused on Mustangs by ill-fitting filler-caps, but not on our cars, I believe.
Since you bought the car I guess on or about 14 September (??), which is when they stopped listing it, you should go back and point the dealer to the word "guarantee".
Failing that, get him in any case to read the error code causing it and tell you what is wrong according to the code, and how he intends to fix it.
Reason is that in the worse case of an EVAP error code such as P0433, a new ECU or ECU repair could be necessary. That costs money. Don't want to be 'doom-and-despondency', but now is the time to act, I think.

... of course the code may not be that at all, and it might just be an O2 sensor code, say :~. Even then, get the dealer to prove it, ... and fix it. You can't really sell a car with an EML up without explanation? Not sure about the UK, but here that is an APK (MOT) failure.

David

[JJay]

I have nexpeak and that reads 260 engine codes

Thanks for that Jeff.


Since you bought the car I guess on or about 14 September (??), which is when they stopped listing it, you should go back and point the dealer to the word "guarantee".
Failing that, get him in any case to read the error code causing it and tell you what is wrong according to the code, and how he intends to fix it.

David

There is a story to this, isn't there always? I bought it at the end of September. I thought it was going through as a dealer sale, it was advertised on the business website, but when it came to paying they wanted it go through as a private sale and not part of the business which surprised me but i could understand it to a degree as it one of the owners private vehicles. Either way i didn't intend missing it , I know that my rights as a dealer sale give me much more security and consumer rights and that as a private sale are non existent. I am not disappointed with the car i absolutely love it. Whatever it needs it will get.

[David]

OK. Bit naughty of the dealer maybe, but as you say, too nice and scarce a car to miss perhaps.
Down to the nitty-gritty. Read the error code or get it read, and proceed from there. Probably not so much of a problem; always soluble in any event. Lots of info and advice available here when your membership "greenness" allows you access.

If your MGOC membership number is not yet through (can take some time), PM Tim, and tell him the the application has been made and is being processed. That may help.

David

[Pete]

Trading Standards re car sales https://www.bromley.gov.uk/leaflet/122489/16/687/d

[David]

Trading Standards re car sales https://www.bromley.gov.uk/leaflet/122489/16/687/d
Clearly no use to me personally over in Holland, but nonetheless a very concise and clear explanation of UK law for the majority. Good to know. Thanks, Pete.

Bit different to Norway, reading the 'statutory statements' included in ads for a ZT260 dealer-advertised and now an R75V8 currently for private sale. Apparently under law a dealer in Norway has to give a full guarantee for 5 years, and a private seller 2, on all second hand vehicles. That carries a very broad definition too. You can get a refund " ... if the car is in worse condition than you as the buyer had reason to expect, based on the car's age, mileage and information you have received". No wonder second-hand cars cost an arm and a leg there.

David

[jeff turbo]

If you're happy then it doesn't matter. You'll soon sort the engine management light once the code can be read