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VXman
02-01-2016, 05:44 PM
I have owned this car since 2006 and have done around 50,000 miles in that time. It have taken me on many memorable trips across Europe including Portugal and Croatia. Just last week I used it for a 800 mile trip to and from Scotland. Over all that time it has been a reliable car which cruised quietly and lazily on the motorway but makes a fantastic noise and handles well when pushed a little harder on a country road.

The negatives:

Due to damage to the drivers door my insurance company have deemed this beyond economical repair and want to write the car off. This is ridiculous and I have decided to buy the car back off them and sell it privately. I would be tempted to repair myself but there are a number of other small issues that have made me decide it is time to move on. This car could be brought back to tip top conditions with a little work.

1. Drivers door damage - I have a spare door in my garage which is in silver but would probably be the cheapest solution with a respray. This will be thrown in with the car.

2. Intermittent ABS fault.

3. Heater Valve under the dash needs replacing - at he moment the heating/air con is always hot. This can be manually set to cold or anywhere in between under the bonnet, which is what I have been doing for a while now.

4. Central locking - I think there is a fault with the drivers door unit. It will open using the remote key but not lock...unless you are inside with the drivers door shut. You can lock the drivers door with the key.

5. CD changer and Sat Nav (boot mounted) no longer work. TV is analogue so obviously no use either. It is possible to upgrade this system to later BMW versions.

6. Tyres are worn. Two are probably illegal and two are worn on the edges but would pass MOT for a little while.

7. No MOT. This passed with no faults just over a year ago and the car has done less than 3000 miles since then. I would anticipate a couple of new tyres and the ABS to be the only issues.

I have receipts of repairs and servicing at Austin Garages in Burton on Trent (a specialist in Rover and experienced with the ZT 260 specifically) and from my local garage. General servicing lie oil changes and brake pads/discs have been undertaken by myself. I have completed oil changes at a maximum of every 5000 miles using fully synthetic oil. The engine is the most reliable and fault free part of this car!

ebay link to auction

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172048802687?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Pictures

https://goo.gl/photos/ew8vG4XNUktMq7rS9

Dan1971
02-01-2016, 08:50 PM
Sent you a message via the bay of E to see if you were selling elsewhere (DLAO1971) - surprised you're not selling via here really being a long standing member. Will keep an eye and hopefully bag a bargain via ebay then.

VXman
02-01-2016, 09:55 PM
I need to sell it quick due to the insurance situation and to be honest I didn't think advertising on here would create enough interest.

JakeWilson
02-01-2016, 10:06 PM
So is the car Cat D?

AndyG
02-01-2016, 10:45 PM
It is also on here http://www.forums.75-zt.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=3621&sid=2dcd810d9a5ac416585d4fafec6f968b

VXman
02-01-2016, 10:55 PM
Yes it will be Cat D. It's a biggish dent to the drivers door and a little of the adjoining wing. The Cat D is due to the insurance only valuing it at £2200 and reckoning that repair would be at least 50% of that. Cat D doesn't mean anything really as the car doesn't even get put off the road. I keep it as they just subtract the buy back (Scrap value) of the car from the payout. (and my excess of course! :()

6KH
02-01-2016, 11:21 PM
If I would have accepted my insurance company's judgement on my Rover 45 it too would have been a write-off. That was four years and 60,000 miles ago. All due to an idiot reversing into the driver's door. I claimed from the idiot's insurance company (instead of mine), had a second-hand door fitted and resprayed for about £200, and the car was back on the road. The garage nominated by the insurance company to do the work is an ex-Rover dealer who had a 45 they were keeping for spares. I spoke to them and urged them to make the job as low-cost as possible. They even asked me whether I minded if I had a second-hand door! Of course I didn't! The car at that time was 11 years old and the rest of it was very much second hand already.

I've also had a Category D write off with a Metro in the 1990s. A dent in the rear quarter and a replacement rear light lens was all that happened. The dent was pushed out with a piece of wood and a scrappy provided the lens for £5 at that time. You could tell there had been a dent, but for that car at that time, it didn't matter to me.

The moral of the story is that insurance companies are used to dealing with people who cannot repair their own cars and for whom the value of a car is simply a matter of economics. For us, it's different!

Andrew

ZS Phil
03-01-2016, 12:52 AM
Hi there,

I'm very interested in this. I've just had a bid on ebay and currently the highest bidder.
A couple of questions:
-Any idea what the fault with the ABS is? Could you describe what the problem is?
-Is there any scope for putting some legal tyres and an MOT on it?
-If you were to do this, what would the asking price be? Equally, how much do you want for it as it stands?

Stan315
03-01-2016, 01:06 AM
well that's three of us watching it, could end up a dear car.
:~

trikey
03-01-2016, 01:08 AM
I know a lad on the 75-ZT site that is also interested, good luck with the sale.

Les4048
03-01-2016, 09:33 AM
It's all over Facebook too

colin39
03-01-2016, 09:37 AM
Was the door reversed on to something as it looks like the rear door is also catching on the front door, this would sugest possible A pillar damage ? As the pillar has been twisted?

Colin

VXman
03-01-2016, 10:29 AM
OK- reply to your questions. The ABS light can kick in any time from 10 minutes into driving to an hour. It will stay on then but if the car is left for a time it will go away again. I've no idea on the problem.

Tyres - I don't see the point in buying tyres and getting the MOT done if I'm selling. It may look a little more attractive but people can think about that when offering. The insurance will pay out anyway as the MOT was valid when I put the claim in.

The door was damaged when reversing out of at tight parking spot and not seeing a big metal bollard just below the window line of the drivers door. The main damage is down the vertical side of the door where it meets the front wing - small amount to the front wing edge. There is a small scrape to the edge of the door where it meets the rear door. All damage is cosmetic. I would think a new door (which I have) respray and a bit of repair work to the front wing edge and the rear edge. I will trey and get some better pictures today and post them.

Price? - its an auction. I will take what people are willing to pay. I had an offer of £2500 but will wait to see what it goes to.

Stan315
03-01-2016, 10:55 AM
If I would have accepted my insurance company's judgement on my Rover 45 it too would have been a write-off. That was four years and 60,000 miles ago. All due to an idiot reversing into the driver's door. I claimed from the idiot's insurance company (instead of mine), had a second-hand door fitted and resprayed for about £200, and the car was back on the road. The garage nominated by the insurance company to do the work is an ex-Rover dealer who had a 45 they were keeping for spares. I spoke to them and urged them to make the job as low-cost as possible. They even asked me whether I minded if I had a second-hand door! Of course I didn't! The car at that time was 11 years old and the rest of it was very much second hand already.

I've also had a Category D write off with a Metro in the 1990s. A dent in the rear quarter and a replacement rear light lens was all that happened. The dent was pushed out with a piece of wood and a scrappy provided the lens for £5 at that time. You could tell there had been a dent, but for that car at that time, it didn't matter to me.

The moral of the story is that insurance companies are used to dealing with people who cannot repair their own cars and for whom the value of a car is simply a matter of economics. For us, it's different!

Andrew



I had had the same issue with a Range Rover a couple of years back,written off for a rear wing. £25 of eBay and in the right colour and they paid out £1000. It's less work for the ins company's to write a vehicle off and cheaper than using their list of " approved repairers " with their over inflated prices.

Richb
03-01-2016, 12:17 PM
ABS issue sounds like the modulator on its way out, not uncommon. My theory is they suffer from heat being sat next to the engine which causes dry joints in the solder connectors of the fine gold wires inside. Will need a replacement modulator or getting it repaired at on of the ecu repairers, if you can find one who will do it.

David
03-01-2016, 12:32 PM
ABS issue sounds like the modulator on its way out, not uncommon. My theory is they suffer from heat being sat next to the engine which causes dry joints in the solder connectors of the fine gold wires inside. Will need a replacement modulator or getting it repaired at on of the ecu repairers, if you can find one who will do it.

Not unique to 260's either. I have a R75 V6 with the same problem. BMW's, not unsurprisingly, are apparently renowned for that problem with modulator electrics. My garage man said "if you deliver it for the APK (MOT) with the light out, I'm not obliged to road test it or drive it outside the garage even. If it stays off, it stays off! " (UK regs. may well be different). On my V6 car at least, just doing an error-code reset with my Autec turned it off providing you didn't exceed about 10mph. Note, however, I'm pretty sure that whilst the light is on your ABS system is switched off and will not function!

However it might still be worth wiggling the blue connectors at the wheel-arch ends to see if that effects it. The loom-end part of the connector can crumble or become damaged after being disconnected several times over the years. I 'fixed' one by hard-wiring it. Really terrible connectors prone to problems like the air-bag ones under the front seats.

Hope that helps,

David

The Gas Man
03-01-2016, 12:35 PM
I really get annoyed when insurance company's right off a perfectly good vehicle, all this c**p about saving the planet when a day's work would put a car like this back on the road (and keep someone employed). I'm surprised the 'green brigade' don't bang on more about this insurance scam! Scrap yards are full of perfectly good cars being crushed. These 260's are are a 'very' rare commodity, and must be saved! I love being a grumpy old man!��

Stan315
03-01-2016, 03:38 PM
Not unique to 260's either. I have a R75 V6 with the same problem. BMW's, not unsurprisingly, are apparently renowned for that problem with modulator electrics. My garage man said "if you deliver it for the APK (MOT) with the light out, I'm not obliged to road test it or drive it outside the garage even. If it stays off, it stays off! " (UK regs. may well be different). On my V6 car at least, just doing an error-code reset with my Autec turned it off providing you didn't exceed about 10mph. Note, however, I'm pretty sure that whilst the light is on your ABS system is switched off and will not function!

However it might still be worth wiggling the blue connectors at the wheel-arch ends to see if that effects it. The loom-end part of the connector can crumble or become damaged after being disconnected several times over the years. I 'fixed' one by hard-wiring it. Really terrible connectors prone to problems like the air-bag ones under the front seats.

Hope that helps,

David


Would the abs problem effect the traction control as well? A mate of mine has an intermittent abs fault on his xk8 and reckons when the light comes on he loses traction control.

Richb
03-01-2016, 04:15 PM
Would the abs problem effect the traction control as well? A mate of mine has an intermittent abs fault on his xk8 and reckons when the light comes on he loses traction control.

Yes, both ABS and traction control use the ABS wheel sensors. If the modulator is not getting the correct signal, neither will work.

Rich

colin39
03-01-2016, 04:34 PM
OK- reply to your questions. The ABS light can kick in any time from 10 minutes into driving to an hour. It will stay on then but if the car is left for a time it will go away again. I've no idea on the problem.

Tyres - I don't see the point in buying tyres and getting the MOT done if I'm selling. It may look a little more attractive but people can think about that when offering. The insurance will pay out anyway as the MOT was valid when I put the claim in.

The door was damaged when reversing out of at tight parking spot and not seeing a big metal bollard just below the window line of the drivers door. The main damage is down the vertical side of the door where it meets the front wing - small amount to the front wing edge. There is a small scrape to the edge of the door where it meets the rear door. All damage is cosmetic. I would think a new door (which I have) respray and a bit of repair work to the front wing edge and the rear edge. I will trey and get some better pictures today and post them.

Price? - its an auction. I will take what people are willing to pay. I had an offer of £2500 but will wait to see what it goes to.


Argh its jus a crease line and possibly shoved it on hinges, easy repair ! Personally id let the auction run its gotta be a 3.5k car

colin39
03-01-2016, 04:41 PM
I really get annoyed when insurance company's right off a perfectly good vehicle, all this c**p about saving the planet when a day's work would put a car like this back on the road (and keep someone employed). I'm surprised the 'green brigade' don't bang on more about this insurance scam! Scrap yards are full of perfectly good cars being crushed. These 260's are are a 'very' rare commodity, and must be saved! I love being a grumpy old man!��
Yes i must agree, id rather see a car repaired or the owner at least given the option.

VXman
03-01-2016, 05:02 PM
cleaner pics of damage:

https://goo.gl/photos/MsGiS8HZ9zq7RSZE9

https://goo.gl/photos/GsCcd3WDuUyMxpXh9

https://goo.gl/photos/eTDjakdrb962Ziep8

https://goo.gl/photos/Jhm55dPNY3SxHzVq5

colin39
03-01-2016, 10:10 PM
3k still think its a 3.5+ car

VXman
04-01-2016, 11:39 PM
The insurance have agreed not to write it off. They are just going to give me a cash payout for their estimate of the damage and let me keep the car. So I have the choice to fix it myself or sell. I'm selling! So someone nice take it off my hands and return it to its former glory please :)

colin39
05-01-2016, 07:59 AM
The insurance have agreed not to write it off. They are just going to give me a cash payout for their estimate of the damage and let me keep the car. So I have the choice to fix it myself or sell. I'm selling! So someone nice take it off my hands and return it to its former glory please :)
That means it shouldnt be on the catC / catD list then

damienp
05-01-2016, 07:20 PM
Does the abs light only come on, if you go above 56mph?

Dominic22
05-01-2016, 08:01 PM
I think this will be the standard problem with the Bosch 5.7 unit. It gets heat soak and will be fine while cold then stop working after maybe 10 mins of so, the speedo also stops with it.

It is a well known issue on cars with this Bosch unit (BMW) etc there is a detailed thread on here I think. If it has not gone to far it can be fixed, the issue for us is that the software is MG/Rover V8 specific and no-one has it I believe. So buying a new or used 5.7 unit off ebay off another car will not work long term with our car, so your 260 one needs to be fixed.

colin39
06-01-2016, 08:01 PM
4k+ and it keeps going up

VXman
06-01-2016, 09:40 PM
ABS - I think it happens below 56mph and it doesn't effect the speedo.
Cat D status has been removed.

scooter
07-01-2016, 03:28 PM
I would think it is more likely that the ABS has a sensor/wire connection problem. I have seen a few high mileage cars have problems with the reluctor ring on the drive shafts rusting.

Flying Silver
07-01-2016, 03:45 PM
I would think it is more likely that the ABS has a sensor/wire connection problem. I have seen a few high mileage cars have problems with the reluctor ring on the drive shafts rusting.

Thank you Scooter for adding your knowledge and help here - much appreciated by all on the Forum, cheers!

David
07-01-2016, 04:30 PM
Yep. Like I said : "However it might still be worth wiggling the blue connectors at the wheel-arch ends to see if that effects it. The loom-end part of the connector can crumble or become damaged after being disconnected several times over the years. I 'fixed' one by hard-wiring it. Really terrible connectors prone to problems like the air-bag ones under the front seats."

David

AndyG
07-01-2016, 04:58 PM
........... . Really terrible connectors prone to problems like the air-bag ones under the front seats."
David

I use these for many things. Prongs are split (so can be widened)

A bit of grease and a wire tie sometimes.

http://thumbsnap.com/s/gt6Z5BPc.jpg

ian w
07-01-2016, 06:05 PM
I have had similar problems with ABS warning and speedo drop off, mine was initially caused by a wheel speed sensor on its way out subsequently replaced with an after market sensor which show ABS warning lights at various speeds then I replaced with an original parts which solved all the problems.

cheers Ian

Richb
09-01-2016, 05:34 PM
Nearly 7 Grand with 5 mins left!!!

Tornado Red
09-01-2016, 06:13 PM
Sold for £6,900 Quite a high price for a car without a MoT and needing work!! Curiously the winning bidder placed their bid nearly a week ago, so will be interesting to see if the deal completes, or will we see the car 'relisted' in a week or so like so many vehicle sales on E bay.

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09-01-2016, 06:23 PM
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David
09-01-2016, 06:34 PM
Sold for £6,900 Quite a high price for a car without a MoT and needing work!! Curiously the winning bidder placed their bid nearly a week ago, so will be interesting to see if the deal completes, or will we see the car 'relisted' in a week or so like so many vehicle sales on E bay.
Yeh, been there, done that. What should happen so often is not the case. Basically if either party really doesn't want to go through with the deal then it won't happen. Many, many ways to crawl out short of just disappearing. Once "bought" a recon motor for my Pontiac Bonneville SSE for 1 Euro on Ebay, no reserve, (so say). Ho Ho Ho !

Thinking positive, hopefully it will go through! Fingers crossed.

David

David

VXman
09-01-2016, 06:37 PM
Hope he's serious. Will be pissed off if he's not. He seems to be a MG Rover 75 parts seller? Has a good feedback record but seems to be a seller not a buyer. Can't see him breaking it for parts at that price. Maybe fancies a project?

Richb
09-01-2016, 06:45 PM
I hope he is legitimate VXman as it might be an indication that values for our cars are on the up. However I think that price is probably a tad high for a car needing that amount of work (no offence) and an mg 'dealer' especially should know that!

Good luck!

Rich

David
09-01-2016, 06:59 PM
Never know, we might gat a new member shortly :D

Slickster
09-01-2016, 07:20 PM
Maybe I should list mine (https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/f0rum/showthread.php?15633-Rover-75-V8)on ebay and see how it goes?

Morganman
09-01-2016, 07:23 PM
I´m surprised about the price. £6,900 for a Car like that looks in such a way that the prices rise!? Not bad.
André

Les4048
09-01-2016, 08:31 PM
Perhaps prices are starting to rise now and the last thing we need is enthusiasts talking them down so here's hoping the cars are getting the recognition they are long overdue

colin39
09-01-2016, 09:02 PM
Dearest mgr of 2016, 6.9k and lets say 3k as a total loss , so a 10k car, someone is happy. I bugged out at 3500k

Colin

trikey
09-01-2016, 09:14 PM
if prices are comparable, yours must be £13k then

Tim
09-01-2016, 09:14 PM
Good to see prices lift, the prediction is up over the coming years as they become fewer. Hope it does not fall through.

VXman
10-01-2016, 11:04 PM
Well, lets not get to excited. The winning bidder has been a prat and withdrawn his bid claiming he didn't know it was a Cat D when he first bid and that I changed the terms of the ad. after he bid. What I did do was confirm it was a Cat D as many people had been asking. He reckons he bought another car in the meantime. I did state it as a write off initially and he bid on that. Cat D is the least serious of write off categories so what was he thinking? Other questions - why did he continue to bid? Anyway its not a write off now so that's even better.

Anyway, not all is lost as at least one of the other bidders is still interested and I may contact earlier bidders if that one doesn't come through.

Why are people such prats?

Richb
10-01-2016, 11:24 PM
Happens all too often on flea bay :mad:

Hope you get on better with the other bidders :thumb

Rich

colin39
10-01-2016, 11:34 PM
Happens all too often on flea bay :mad:

Hope you get on better with the other bidders :thumb

Rich


I agree,^^^^^^^wot he said

VXman
17-01-2016, 04:52 PM
Well, finally said goodbye to her today. Sad to her that lovely engine for the last time as it drove off. Final sale price £5350. Less than that silly bidder had pushed it too but a fair price for a car that needs some work. It you take the insurance companies view that it would take £2400 for the body work and then address the other issues I think you could be looking at a value of 9K for a good car of this age and miles.