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Lord Hybrid
01-02-2015, 02:15 AM
Good evening all how you all doing, hope all is well.
Hope the cars are running great.

Right Ok Its time to explain a few things regarding a secret project I have in mind, Not everyone is going to agree with this I know that, But its something I've always wanted to do and I found the perfect car to do it in, this is where the hybrid comes in.

Right first to be blunt MOTORSPORT.

Circuit racing for diesel cars.

I've always wanted to enter a motorsport event and in July will be my first one, It all depends if I can get everything ready in time.
That's why I've been looking for new work to try and find a better income, plus its every week rather then stop and start. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/wallhead.gif
As we all know that motorsport is expensive and I'll be honest it will put the car in harms way. I hope nothing happens, but in life there are no guaranties.
I like to get it done before July if not no matter how long it takes I'll do it, trust me when I say I will I will. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

For last few days I've been speaking to drivers and tuning shops around the UK and Wales, Driver's which I know and classic car fans, plus my friends have pointed me to the right places, which has been great and there input very important. 2nd tuning shops, This is where it gets interesting,
On a diesel engine we all know that air is the most important part of the combustion of the engine, what do we need MORE AIR, The turbo charger in our cars is very reliable and doesn't suffer breakdowns has much as the BMW Variable Vane turbo. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/eusa_boohoo.gif

But its not enough, its small and compressor wheel is just not big enough to draw masses of volume of air into the engine, it needs to be a little bigger and that's it, I Don't want to go stupid i just want a little faster not 100 bhp 200bhp but just 50 bhp will do me nicely. I'm after acceleration not top end speed. As the track I'm going to be racing as plenty of tight bends and turns, so top end speed it pretty useless.

But If can get the balance of both even better.

I've spoken to this a firm a lot regarding fuel injectors, rails, pumps and so on to try and get what I need out of the engine. The M47R is really good engine and like working on the damn thing, I don't want to push the engine too much to the point where the engine has to be rebuilt from scratch, if you catch my drift.http://www.uniteddiesel.co.uk/diesel-in ... -upgrades/ (http://www.uniteddiesel.co.uk/diesel-injector-power-upgrades/)

I've spoken to Kieth a lot regarding this and may have a hybrid turbo for the this car, its bigger then a stranded one, but still have plenty of room to be fitted, in other words its not silly, but does produce a bit more power and if tuned the right way, the turbo it will kick as soon as i need it.
I've messaged him back and said, once all the funds are in order then I can go for it.
The injectors can be upgraded as our's are Bosch, there are performance injectors for the M47 including the injector pump.
I've gave him my numbers off the turbo and manifold, so he knows exactly what the performance are of the turbo and manifold.

If I play well and I can get away with keeping a lot of the engine standerd.

But it isn't just performance parts but lot of other bits as well,
Such as

Braking system's
Uprated discs and pads all round
Brake pipes will need to be done as well

Suspension
Coil overs
Strunt mounts
dampers all up rated.
Polly bushes can't forget those.

Transmission
Up-rated clutch
up-rated Flywheel, Single mass


Fuel and Air
Inlet maniflod will be custom made in stainless steel.
A ram air system
Hybrid turbo.
Upgraded injectors.
Intercooler already uprated, needs re-positioning to allow more air flow.
Fuel injector pump upgrade.
Possible a bonnet scoop at the back of the engine to cool turbo charger down, but will find out later on in the future.

Safety
Helmet and fire resistant overalls
Fire extinguisher
Roll cage that can be unbolted to allowe rear seats to be refittted after the race is over and turn it back to a road car.
bucket seat and 4 or 6 point harness

So far that's my list and will most liking be updated once again.

I'm willing to do this and yes I bloody NUTS and that will always be me. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

Can do it?

YES I CAN AND THIS ENGINE HAS REALLY PROVEN IT CAN TAKE IT. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/steer.gifhttp://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/steer.gifhttp://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_cool.gifhttp://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif

Again like at the start of the topic, its not everyone's idea, but if you have your oppnins please let me hear'em. Or if you can advice me as this is my first major project.

Thank you all for reading and I will be doing a complete write up on all what's going on.

Its also being booked for a dyno run in Flintshire next week, I'll find out the date pretty soon and this will give me an idea what the engine is currently doing. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

colintf
01-02-2015, 06:12 AM
Best of luck - what event is it you are entering??
:)

Tim
01-02-2015, 10:11 AM
The combustion material is too heavy, you need to increase the calorific value and size of engine by four cylinders. :)

Be interesting to see how it goes as some members also have diesels.

Lord Hybrid
01-02-2015, 04:11 PM
Hiya all hope you don't mind but I've copied the convo regarding this from the enthusiast site, Carl and Tom made have made me think very hard about this, thge crankshaft is the main coucern, also mtorsport insuance and other things.

That's some really good info here, yes I will be getting a 2nd car other Rover Or ZT and yes it will be a diesel engine. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

The crankshaft I didn't think of that, I thought the crankshaft could as a diesel engine parts are stronger to cope with a higher compression ratio.
I'll need to learn more abut the heart of the engine.
What I'll do if I find a crankshaft on ebay and get the numbers from that, I can send it to Keith and he'll give me the info on what the Crank is cable of withstanding. I'll post this information here. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

Carl and Tom your input has really been helpful and thank you.

How you doing dave, we weren't able to race the Escort MK2 in the end, due to doors needed replacing, we did get a few tip off, but it tunred out that the doors has sufferd the same fate. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif

We had decline, but we still went up to watch, there was one car that stood from the rest and did really.
What was the do you ask.
It was a Rover
7
5
Very modified and it was a KV6 engine.

That's when I started thinking, what If I tuned my diesel engine?

What would I get and how would it do compare to other diesel engine cars.
Well that depends on experience of the driver, which he has none, only done a few track days on the 25 a few years ago In Angelsey, which I'm only 14 miles away from the track.

But Thank you all I'll take this really seriously and I;ll have more information in the near future. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

How you doing Colin, Its a race event for diesel powerd cars and tuning enthusiasts, at the same time its also good for people who looking for drivers on the track.

This will give me some experience on the track, plus an idea on what I need out car as well.

I lack experience this is my first major project.

if all goes well with funding and buying parts, she should be ready. :)
If not then there's always next year. :)

Herman
01-02-2015, 04:25 PM
This is a diesel racing car :)

https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/f0rum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7055&stc=1

Lord Hybrid
01-02-2015, 04:30 PM
This is a diesel racing car :)

https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc260/html/f0rum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7055&stc=1
As a motorsport enthusiast I never knew they did racing diesel cars. :ash

Lord Hybrid
01-02-2015, 05:57 PM
I've done some reaesrch now and there's garage could Dreadnought garage, just wondering is Paul able to supply me parts? It not a V8, but just wondering is its possible.? http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/eusa_think.gif
http://www.dreadnoughtgarage.com/

Herman
01-02-2015, 06:04 PM
I've done some reaesrch now and there's garage could Dreadnought garage, just wondering is Paul able to supply me parts? It not a V8, but just wondering is its possible.? http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/eusa_think.gif
http://www.dreadnoughtgarage.com/

also known for the S/C conversions for the V8..............................research hey...................:)

Lord Hybrid
01-02-2015, 10:54 PM
Trying to find parts this is going to be a lot tougher then I thought,


This is what I'm going to do first

1 Braking systems, no point having a fast car when the brakes are dinosaur era.
2 Suspension for better handling.
3 Gearbox and clutch system, give me the grunt I need to pull in every gear.
4 Tyres, I've bought my ZT alloys which are being hydo dipped, Tyres are going to be Bridgestone very good.
5 safety equipment, things you need on the track and for car safety for driver and passenger.
6 Weight reduction, remove trim that slows the car down and fit it to either other 75 or ZT, If do get other the same space spec like my Rover then the trim can be slod to members.
7 Last and not least engine performance upgrades. Upgrades that will allow more fuel and air into the engine, plus cooling upagrdes and other major parts, LIKE THE CRANKSHAFT.

Lord Hybrid
01-02-2015, 11:43 PM
I need to ask a question, has anyone here doing tuning to any motorsport vehicles, I don't mean the V8 but any diesel car?

Also regarding parts where the best places to go?

I've sorted out the hybrid turbo and manifold, injectors and injector pump.
But otherwise nothing else. :(

Nich
02-02-2015, 10:45 AM
Unlikely to be many pennies left for the V8 purchase methinks..........:)

Nich.

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 01:41 PM
Unlikely to be many pennies left for the V8 purchase methinks..........:)

Nich.

Oh no a V8 is still n the cards, but my dad is buying as its going to be his toy :)
Lexus may be sold to help fund for one. :)

AndyG
02-02-2015, 02:05 PM
Not to forget Sabine in the Diesel Transit on The Ring ;)

AndyG
02-02-2015, 02:07 PM
Didn't Seat run a Diesel in BTCC a few years back ?

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 03:28 PM
Not to forget Sabine in the Diesel Transit on The Ring ;)

That was a good top gear episode that one, we used to have a transit mk6 and mk7.
But it wasn't as quick as that one tho.
She's just amazing behind the wheel. :o

AndyG
02-02-2015, 04:16 PM
That was a good top gear episode that one, we used to have a transit mk6 and mk7.
But it wasn't as quick as that one tho.
She's just amazing behind the wheel. :o

It took JC 3 days to get the time he did in the Jag, with Sabine training. (I did a 10.27 the second time on with the F) :)

If I could have her directing me I would take the ZTT.

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 04:34 PM
It took JC 3 days to get the time he did in the Jag, with Sabine training. (I did a 10.27 the second time on with the F) :)

If I could have her directing me I would take the ZTT.
That would be good to see, Supercharged and ready for action.

Just waiting for Kieth now with the hybrid and how much its going to cost.
If I plan ahead I find what I'll need, I can start saving proply. :)

Turbo charged hybrid that kicks ass. ;)

colintf
02-02-2015, 05:22 PM
Didn't Seat run a Diesel in BTCC a few years back ?

Yes they did I believe Andy :cool:

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 05:23 PM
Just done a bit reading will the camshafts have to be upgraded as well.?

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 05:38 PM
Just got an email off Kieth and this is what he said.


Hi David,


Some facts about your turbo,


A compressor wheel mod will be about 450.00 to 650.00 and an extra 150.00 for a billet wheel mod, this makes the turbo spin easier.
To enlarge the exhaust side as well will be an full cost of about 770.00 but enlarging the exhaust you will have a slower spool up.


A compressor wheel mod will give you about 30 Bhp more
A full mod will give you about 60 Bhp more


I personally think that the way to go will be the compressor mod with uprated injectors and a remap. I would estimate that the total cost will be
about 1200.00 to 1500.00.
I would need the vehicle for about a week.


Have a think about it and let me know your thoughts.


Thanks,
Regards,
Keith


Its looking good folks it really is.

colintf
02-02-2015, 05:59 PM
Just got an email off Kieth and this is what he said.


Hi David,


Some facts about your turbo,


A compressor wheel mod will be about 450.00 to 650.00 and an extra 150.00 for a billet wheel mod, this makes the turbo spin easier.
To enlarge the exhaust side as well will be an full cost of about 770.00 but enlarging the exhaust you will have a slower spool up.


A compressor wheel mod will give you about 30 Bhp more
A full mod will give you about 60 Bhp more


I personally think that the way to go will be the compressor mod with uprated injectors and a remap. I would estimate that the total cost will be
about 1200.00 to 1500.00.
I would need the vehicle for about a week.


Have a think about it and let me know your thoughts.


Thanks,
Regards,
Keith


Its looking good folks it really is.

Can the clutch / gearbox take the extra ????

I would rather ask a maybe silly question than here a BIG BANG!

:cool:

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 06:16 PM
Can the clutch / gearbox take the extra ????

I would rather ask a maybe silly question than here a BIG BANG!

:cool:

I've just messged him back and 100% it will be fully uprated. :)
Just trying to search for a firm that can do one for our cars.

colintf
02-02-2015, 06:55 PM
I've just messged him back and 100% it will be fully uprated. :)
Just trying to search for a firm that can do one for our cars.

How much is all this going to cost?? :cool:

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 06:59 PM
Think I might have to give dreadnought garage a call, can't seem to find any uprated gearboxes for our cars.

There some for the KV6 1.8 k-series and the V8, otherwise can't seem to find one for the CDTI model, unless I look at the BMW side of things.

Regards to suspension, does anyone have recommendations on where to shop for them.?

What am trying to do is calumniate how much I need save for that target.
Then work out my bills and also how much I earn in a week and convert it to a monthly thing. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

Like to plan ahead at the same time, learn more about the engine and your input and information.
I can do this and enthusiasm is improving everyday. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif



Its just a damn good car and looks the part and I'm confident it will do well. :)

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 08:12 PM
Will this clutch kit cope do you think.?

http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/cheap/769015/mg/black-diamond-stage-3-paddle-performance-clutch-kits/bdc7277pdl.html

3disco
02-02-2015, 09:42 PM
Think I might have to give dreadnought garage a call, can't seem to find any uprated gearboxes for our cars.

There some for the KV6 1.8 k-series and the V8, otherwise can't seem to find one for the CDTI model, unless I look at the BMW side of things.

Regards to suspension, does anyone have recommendations on where to shop for them.?

What am trying to do is calumniate how much I need save for that target.
Then work out my bills and also how much I earn in a week and convert it to a monthly thing. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

Like to plan ahead at the same time, learn more about the engine and your input and information.
I can do this and enthusiasm is improving everyday. http://forums.75-zt.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif



Its just a damn good car and looks the part and I'm confident it will do well. :)
I doubt bmw would be any use with gearbox as all rear wheel drive!

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 09:47 PM
I doubt bmw would be any use with gearbox as all rear wheel drive!

Damn.

Everything else sorted
But gearbox nope having no luck, Why did I pick a CDTI to do up.
Still early days yet.

I'm sure I can find one. :)

Anyone got any ideas.?

Herman
02-02-2015, 09:59 PM
Damn.

Everything else sorted
But gearbox nope having no luck, Why did I pick a CDTI to do up.
Still early days yet.

I'm sure I can find one. :)

Anyone got any ideas.?

Yes, forget it and get a V8...............

To be fair, I'm not that interested in a diesel track day car.

Sorry :GMC

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 10:07 PM
Yes, forget it and get a V8...............

To be fair, I'm not that interested in a diesel track day car.

Sorry :GMC

Its not for everybody, but I'll keeping pushing forward ;)

Herman
02-02-2015, 10:10 PM
Its not for everybody, but I'll keeping pushing forward ;)

Fair enough, but rather than a rolling update.....................


Give me the end result

And good luck with your quest...................

Lord Hybrid
02-02-2015, 10:14 PM
Fair enough, but rather than a rolling update.....................


Give me the end result

And good luck with your quest...................

Guess I am becoming a pain in the ass. ~JJ~

You want result you'll get one, trust me I will complete this. ;)
Cheers much appreciated :)

AndyG
02-02-2015, 10:30 PM
I thing that we/I need to use a full rev range.
That's why Motorcycle engines are being used in Race Cars.

Les4048
03-02-2015, 06:01 AM
Guess I am becoming a pain in the ass. ~JJ~

You want result you'll get one, trust me I will complete this. ;)
Cheers much appreciated :)

Why not instead of phoning people and asking them to check this and that, which I've had experience of in my job as a parts man and believe me if you're busy there's nothing more annoying get all your finances sorted out and then do what you're planning. To be honest if you don't have the funds in place to carry out what you're planing which is going to be a horrendous cost it'll be much more by the time you have the funds and you'll be asking the same questions to suppliers all over again

Lord Hybrid
03-02-2015, 02:38 PM
Why not instead of phoning people and asking them to check this and that, which I've had experience of in my job as a parts man and believe me if you're busy there's nothing more annoying get all your finances sorted out and then do what you're planning. To be honest if you don't have the funds in place to carry out what you're planing which is going to be a horrendous cost it'll be much more by the time you have the funds and you'll be asking the same questions to suppliers all over again

I can see your point to be honest.

Think what I'll do is wait and bide my time.
Once I have a certain amount, then get the parts bit by bit.

It will take a while, but a slow progress is better then no progress at all.

I'll wait. :)

scooter
03-02-2015, 04:55 PM
I think the cost of this project could get to be very high. The main problem is the cost of unique parts which will add up very quickly, to build a ZR190 race car is about 15,000 in parts alone and they are all off the shelf. Our ZT520 dampers cost 6000 its always better to buy a car that has already been built.

Nich
03-02-2015, 04:59 PM
You might have more luck on one of the forums dedicated to the whole MG/Rover range rather than the specific Two-Sixties which is, by it's very nature, focussed on owners and prospective owners of MG 260/R75 V8 models specifically.

Try:

Rover 75 & MG ZT Owners Club (http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/)

75 ZT Enthusiasts (http://www.75-zt.com/)

XPowerForums.com (http://www.xpowerforums.com/)

MG-Rover.org (http://www.mg-rover.org/index.htm?)

Nich.

AndyG
03-02-2015, 05:11 PM
I didn't know we had a Non V8 section.

Maybe I can rave about my Racing Blata:

From this:

http://thumbsnap.com/s/EPO1jjuw.jpg


To This:
http://thumbsnap.com/s/xHQnCqxm.jpg

:cflag............................................ .................................................. ....................................:cflag

FOR SALE

Lord Hybrid
03-02-2015, 05:23 PM
I think the cost of this project could get to be very high. The main problem is the cost of unique parts which will add up very quickly, to build a ZR190 race car is about 15,000 in parts alone and they are all off the shelf. Our ZT520 dampers cost 6000 its always better to buy a car that has already been built.

I understand where your coming from and yes it would be a lot easier, But the challenge is even more.

And when a challenge has been completed it makes it even more worth while. :)
Thanks for links Nich.

The time when I post on this will be the time when its fully completed. :)
Goals we set are goals we get. :)

zt954
03-02-2015, 06:42 PM
I admire your enthusiasm but the cdti isn't the fastest diesel out there and even spending shed loads on it will never be, if you want to race a diesel pick one with high output to start with, have you ever been in one of the fast BMW diesels?

Lord Hybrid
03-02-2015, 06:57 PM
I admire your enthusiasm but the cdti isn't the fastest diesel out there and even spending shed loads on it will never be, if you want to race a diesel pick one with high output to start with, have you ever been in one of the fast BMW diesels?

To be honest the only Diesel I've been in is the Ford Mondeo Mk3 tdci, Ford Transit Mk6 and the MK7, The hybrid and my dad's Ranger rover sport 2.5 diesel.
That was the quickest by far, despite being a 4x4 and front heavy.

Hit sports mode and it went.

Cdti isn't the fastest, But I still want to give it a shot. :)

gignwah11
03-02-2015, 09:29 PM
The rover 75 is to heavy and the bmw lump is not that good or easy to tune. I have a mg zs180 which is slowly being tweaked and added to on track days - I have fun and it's not that embarrassing. I met the mg cockshoot race cars at donington last July and the knowledge and help was superb and what it came across to me was just spend a little to start as your going to write it off as your experience is low. Then just buy other people's racers cars as they move up through the ranks it's the most cost effective route - the mg race series has excellent races for the Zr and zs plus mgf where you can tune the old l series lump cheaply and put on the slip dif from the brm or 620ti and its a pocket rocket. So moral of story just get racing and not get bogged down in car specs and parts - enjoy Alan

Lord Hybrid
03-02-2015, 09:56 PM
The rover 75 is to heavy and the bmw lump is not that good or easy to tune. I have a mg zs180 which is slowly being tweaked and added to on track days - I have fun and it's not that embarrassing. I met the mg cockshoot race cars at donington last July and the knowledge and help was superb and what it came across to me was just spend a little to start as your going to write it off as your experience is low. Then just buy other people's racers cars as they move up through the ranks it's the most cost effective route - the mg race series has excellent races for the Zr and zs plus mgf where you can tune the old l series lump cheaply and put on the slip dif from the brm or 620ti and its a pocket rocket. So moral of story just get racing and not get bogged down in car specs and parts - enjoy Alan

Well Alan tell you what you've given me a lot to think about there.

Think I'm going to have to think this one through.
Thanks for your input. :)
David

AndyG
03-02-2015, 11:22 PM
and put on the slip dif from the BRM ...

I did that with my F (Plus a light flywheel), It changed the car (Box is LSD & CR)

Lord Hybrid
03-02-2015, 11:48 PM
Well I've decided and made up my mind.

I've spoken to a friend on the phone that does a lot with Motorsport in Angelsey.
It was a long chat and I'll get straight to the point.

Asks me to go outside and look at my car, thinking to myself what is he on about, again he said the same thing.
Well I did go out side as he said and he asked to look at the car and look all around it, interior engine everything.

To start off with I didn't quite get what he ment, but I relised after what he was trying to do.
He wanted me to look at it and think, do i really want to race my OWN car.
The work I've done the parts I've replaced.

The graphics that make the car mine sort of thing, plus can't forget walnut trim and steering wheel.
No i couldn't, its my car and I wouldn't want it to be damaged or scrapped.

I still want to give it a shot, but I'll buy other CDTI for cheap as chips, that's failed an MOT then use that one.
If I can't make it in July, well there's always next year. :)

colintf
04-02-2015, 11:12 AM
Well I've decided and made up my mind.

I've spoken to a friend on the phone that does a lot with Motorsport in Angelsey.
It was a long chat and I'll get straight to the point.

Asks me to go outside and look at my car, thinking to myself what is he on about, again he said the same thing.
Well I did go out side as he said and he asked to look at the car and look all around it, interior engine everything.

To start off with I didn't quite get what he ment, but I relised after what he was trying to do.
He wanted me to look at it and think, do i really want to race my OWN car.
The work I've done the parts I've replaced.

The graphics that make the car mine sort of thing, plus can't forget walnut trim and steering wheel.
No i couldn't, its my car and I wouldn't want it to be damaged or scrapped.

I still want to give it a shot, but I'll buy other CDTI for cheap as chips, that's failed an MOT then use that one.
If I can't make it in July, well there's always next year. :)


I think you would be much much much better off buying a car already prepared for racing.
the MGCC Trophy series for example has classes including virtually road standard spec. What is your race experience?? Do you already have a licence?? What is your track experience??

It's a dangerous place to be when starting out with no experience, for you, but more so for all the others out on track. Maybe a good idea to do some MGs On Track track days with a proper instructor if you haven't already done so.

why not come up to MG Live in June at Silvestone, it's the MGCC annual event, and it's a race weekend, with many ZRs and some ZS competing in different race category's. Have a chat with some of the race guys and girls (but not just before or after practice / qualy / race/ scrutineering etc. I am sure that they will have time for you. Use it as an information gathering and learning excercise. Several from MGCC racing have gone on to bigger race series ( read much bigger budgets) including BTCC http://www.mgcc.co.uk/trophy/ex-trophy-stars/


Start small all and slowly and grow as your ability and budget allows

just my advice, as a frustrated racer myself (lacking both talent and budget) so I have marshalled and now photograph it instead (for MG Motor UK, MGCC and TSCC)

even just oust marshalling you will be in a position to learn a lot :cool:

colintf
04-02-2015, 11:14 AM
Food for thought here
http://www.mgcc.co.uk/trophy/


Class D is for race prepared ZR 160 road cars that can be built for around 3,000, possibly the cheapest entry level tin top able to race on all the UK’s top circuits.

:)

Lord Hybrid
04-02-2015, 02:26 PM
I think you would be much much much better off buying a car already prepared for racing.
the MGCC Trophy series for example has classes including virtually road standard spec. What is your race experience?? Do you already have a licence?? What is your track experience??

It's a dangerous place to be when starting out with no experience, for you, but more so for all the others out on track. Maybe a good idea to do some MGs On Track track days with a proper instructor if you haven't already done so.

why not come up to MG Live in June at Silvestone, it's the MGCC annual event, and it's a race weekend, with many ZRs and some ZS competing in different race category's. Have a chat with some of the race guys and girls (but not just before or after practice / qualy / race/ scrutineering etc. I am sure that they will have time for you. Use it as an information gathering and learning excercise. Several from MGCC racing have gone on to bigger race series ( read much bigger budgets) including BTCC http://www.mgcc.co.uk/trophy/ex-trophy-stars/


Start small all and slowly and grow as your ability and budget allows

just my advice, as a frustrated racer myself (lacking both talent and budget) so I have marshalled and now photograph it instead (for MG Motor UK, MGCC and TSCC)

even just oust marshalling you will be in a position to learn a lot :cool:

Do you know what your right very right and the 260 members as well.

The only experience I have is driving a Rover 25 on the track which I did do a lot of work on.
Did about 3 track days, nothing competitive and did have sought of a lesson, when Brain was still around with his Jag XJ6.
That's really and I don't have a racing licences at all.

I'd like to race in an MG brand car, or a Ford split loyalty's there. :car

The link looks really cool, Didn't know they did that. :)

Sounds like something I can focus on. :)

Regards to marshalling how do Get into that. ?

colintf
04-02-2015, 03:09 PM
Ref the Marshalling, where is you local circuit or even hill climb location?
Are you prepared to travel? I believe the MGCC has some of its own marshals that travel to the MGCC races
have a look on the circuit websites, there's often a marshals link and I am sure that Marshalls are never turned away.

afterall, no Marshalls = No Motorsport event.

mate of mine and his wife are Marshalls at Castle Combe, and I believe as you gain experience you get the opportunity to Marshall at bigger and bigger events. As a result they have done F1, BTCC and ihre Indy500

igs all there for the doing :cool:

Lord Hybrid
04-02-2015, 03:18 PM
Ref the Marshalling, where is you local circuit or even hill climb location?
Are you prepared to travel? I believe the MGCC has some of its own marshals that travel to the MGCC races
have a look on the circuit websites, there's often a marshals link and I am sure that Marshalls are never turned away.

afterall, no Marshalls = No Motorsport event.

mate of mine and his wife are Marshalls at Castle Combe, and I believe as you gain experience you get the opportunity to Marshall at bigger and bigger events. As a result they have done F1, BTCC and ihre Indy500

igs all there for the doing :cool:

This sounds better and better the more I hear and read about it. :)
Do I have to have training to be a one, plus as well i know its silly question but what does exclaty involve?

colintf
04-02-2015, 05:11 PM
This sounds better and better the more I hear and read about it. :)
Do I have to have training to be a one, plus as well i know its silly question but what does exclaty involve?

Training will be given.
theres many types of Marshalls eg in the pit lane as well as at various posts around the circuit


this is another good way to get into Motorsport http://www.mgmetrocup.co.uk/index.html

:cool:

colintf
04-02-2015, 05:13 PM
I've found a couple of links for you

https://www.marshals.co.uk/

http://www.motorsportcircuits.co.uk/html/become_a_marshal.html

https://www.msauk.org/Get-Started/Volunteering

http://www.volunteersinmotorsport.co.uk/grading.php

colintf
04-02-2015, 05:19 PM
And this from the MGCC http://www.mgcc.co.uk/motorsport/marshalling/

AndyG
04-02-2015, 05:35 PM
Get an MG3 and be prepared

http://thumbsnap.com/s/Glk40p4H.jpg

Lord Hybrid
04-02-2015, 05:59 PM
Training will be given.
theres many types of Marshalls eg in the pit lane as well as at various posts around the circuit


this is another good way to get into Motorsport http://www.mgmetrocup.co.uk/index.html

:cool:

Cheers Colin these will make a good read and research. :)

Or Andy my dad and I get a ZT V8 and supercharge it.

Showed my old man a video of a Superchraged ZT in action, lets say he looked very impressed. :)
Do like the sporty look of the MG6. :)

colintf
04-02-2015, 06:27 PM
Pleasure to help you :thumb

Lord Hybrid
04-02-2015, 10:59 PM
Pleasure to help you :thumb

Think I'm going to give it a go. :)

Plus I'm going to be close to the action as well. ;)

colintf
04-02-2015, 11:04 PM
Think I'm going to give it a go. :)

Plus I'm going to be close to the action as well. ;)


Good man, it's very rewarding I found :)

keep us updated please. :thumb

Lord Hybrid
04-02-2015, 11:09 PM
Good man, it's very rewarding I found :)

keep us updated please. :thumb

Will do :)
How much does cost for the course, Will experience in the security industry help towards it. ?

colintf
05-02-2015, 10:16 AM
Will do :)
How much does cost for the course, Will experience in the security industry help towards it. ?

I never went on a course myself, I suspect existing Marshalls will train you, unless you start going down the registered route and then I don't know. I guess it's in one of the links somewhere.

i know the castle combe Marshalls had to buy their own orange Marshalls overalls though :(

Lord Hybrid
05-02-2015, 01:01 PM
I never went on a course myself, I suspect existing Marshalls will train you, unless you start going down the registered route and then I don't know. I guess it's in one of the links somewhere.

i know the castle combe Marshalls had to buy their own orange Marshalls overalls though :(

I get you. :)

I've had to buy own security equipment and coats as well. You'd think when you work for them they'd cover that sort of thing. :(

But thanks again for your help. :)

Really appreciate this :)

colintf
05-02-2015, 01:04 PM
I get you. :)

I've had to buy own security equipment and coats as well. You'd think when you work for them they'd cover that sort of thing. :(

But thanks again for your help. :)

Really appreciate this :)

no worries, Motorsport is a passion of mine :cool:

Lord Hybrid
05-02-2015, 06:29 PM
no worries, Motorsport is a passion of mine :cool:
Can't go wrong with that. ;)